De-Barking your dog..

amymarley · Oct 3, 2005

Do not question yourself...just because you are 23... you seem to be of very sound mind. Stick to your guns, as long as you are informed. You have your right to your opinion. I have been "gutted" for giving mine, but some people who have done that, said in the SAME sentence, that they have the right to theirs.....go figure. Just as long as every one agrees to disagree, everyone should be fine. I for one, even at 23 was educated and still stand by my principles. Yes, I have grown and learned even more and will continue to, but I still have my feelings, opionions and you have better luck seeing Santa Clause on Easter than trying to change them. Not that I am not interested in hearing other opinions.... For people who have set beliefs (even me), you can not change them.

For the record, I agree with your above statement about medically nec. and a convience, and I am over 10 years older than you. Does that make me smarter than the other posters? Maybe yes, maybe no.... it's just an opinion. I just know what I feel in my heart and brain and I hope you stick to your guns as well.
Amy

Zoom · Oct 3, 2005

Lol, thanks for the kind words but I was being completely facetious with that comment. I just missed the

to make it clear.

I know I don't know a lot, but I know quite a bit about a lot and know there is more to learn...which is more than I can say for some people in this world.

Doberluv · Oct 3, 2005

I agree with you Zoom. The two medical procedures are done for different reasons and are not the same thing. Tonsils are done because they get infected too often and cause tonsilitis and make a person very ill. They are not doing the person any good when they are repeatedly becoming infected....not doing their job. They're not vital to keep and especially detrimental when they're no good anymore.

De-barking is more of a convenience, but on the other hand...in some cases a near necessity in the case of needing the barking to stop or it's curtains for the dog...either by law because it's disturbing the peace or because the owner will send it packing to the pound where it's life might be ended. So, in a way, if there is no other option, it could be looked at as a necessity too if the dog couldn't be trained.

In an ideal world, the dog would be trained from puppyhood to stop when told. But that's just not the way it works sometimes. I think OC's right on about the shock collar and that too would be a last resort and one would have to accept the fact that they might end up with a non barking, emotionally ruined dog. (Can we have two last resorts?) LOL. I hate citronella and other things sprayed at a dog or other equally miserable things done to a dog. I think that's worse than debarking.

joce · Oct 3, 2005

Actually a lot of doctors say there is no reason to have your tonsills out. Were everyone used to have it done it is now seen as something that happens way to often. The lymph nodes get inflammed for a reson so taking them out is usually not the best answer unless it is just the same infection stuck in the node which is apparently not the case. Yet the hospital I did pedes at had four of five done every day,but soem of the others only did two a week. I guess you could compare it more too cropping. A lot of people see it as not needed blah,blah blah...

Zoom · Oct 3, 2005

My mom is one of those people who needed their tonsils taken out. She used to get these very frequent, horrible sore throats/strep and it was just getting to be too much. Since she's had them out (it's been over 10 years now), I can't remember the last time she had a case of strep or even a really bad sore throat.

joce · Oct 3, 2005

It does go away but docs ar enow worrying that they should have left the nodes in because if soemthing really bad comes around they are not there to catch it. It used to be something they did to most kids that came in. Its a big thing with a lot of docs now. some will role their eyes when they hear it while others say if it releives the parents stress who cares?

Doberluv · Oct 3, 2005

Yup..when I was 19, I was getting tonsilitis every 6 months or so and would get very sick. So, I had the tonsilectomy and viola....never again sick that way. If they're fine and not causing problems, then keep 'em, but once you're getting sick all the time, dump 'em. Debarking though.....scar tissue risk... it is definitely something to give lots of thought to first.

amymarley · Oct 3, 2005

I am 33 now, when I was 2-8 years (maybe) I always had strep. I have over inlarged tonsils and they actually put them in a medical journal way back when. When ever a new doctor saw me and looked down my throat, they were shocked, and I said that they are always like that. Anyway, suffered from strep for years... The doctors decided not to take them out because they thought if they did, my infections would become worse. They were right... I "out grew" it I guess...and have not had strep for years... So in some cases, you guys/gals are right about that.

shredhead (DOG LOVER) · Oct 4, 2005

How would any of you like it if we severed your vocal chords? I'd never do that to my dogs. If anyone wants to complain, I'll glady try to do something about it. If they want to call the cops, go ahead because I won't let them in anyways. If they want to sue, go for it, I'll laugh when they realize they're being jackasses. I would never sever vocal chords though, its inhumane and unfair. Thats a dogs way of communicating.

SummerRiot · Oct 4, 2005

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Whitedobelover · Oct 4, 2005

my tonsils were removed... they were removed because the swelled up so large that i couldnt speak and i couldnt breathe... it was crazy... i couldnt eat... nothing... so they went in and toook them out.... they are lymphnodes so naturally they do help though if they are getting infected seriously then you want them gone... because infection there can lead to the ears and sinuses and so on...

yuckaduck · Oct 4, 2005

{Quote]Oh, and for those who know absolutely NOTHING, as far as training, you can ask Yuckaduck if she ever comes around again about my dogs being trained to not bark/stop barking.[/Quote]

I am kind of late in this thread, but I can say that Manchesters dogs are not abused. I talk with her on the phone several times a week and when they bark, she says QUIET and it is quiet. No yipping, no yelping just quiet.

I have also seen her dogs on live web cam and they crawl all over her and they seem to love her just as much as she loves them. It bugs me when people here suggest that she abuses her dogs, SHE DOES NOT! I also saw her clip toe nails and there was no problems there either. I saw a few people suggest that she was cruel when doing nails. HOW? I saw her do nails, she did them in front of me because of the people who accused her of abuse. Saying things like that are only said to be very hurtful and they have no place on dog forums. Espically when she hands out such great advice.

Now on the de-barking opinion; I believe that a non stop barker who has tried the bark coolars and been unsuccessful, should be de barked. In some towns like ours, if the dog is barking for more than 15 mins, it is considered noise infraction. First offence is a $80 fine, second offence is $300 fine, third offence is removal of the dog and it is PTS. So in that case I think de barking is a much better option then PTS.

yuckaduck · Oct 5, 2005

Direct quote from email recieved from Manchesters. It is just to let those that have asked questions of her and she is not responding to them.

SummerRiot · Oct 5, 2005

wow.. why was she banned?

shredhead (DOG LOVER) · Oct 5, 2005

yuckaduck said:

I don't get the communistic tactics part...I consider communism to be more of an economic system than a government. I think I know what shes saying.She must've been around in the Cold War or something.

yuckaduck · Oct 5, 2005

SummerRiot said:

That I do not know for sure I was out of town and did not follow the thread at all. I did not see the posts before they were deleted so I do not want to put forth an opinion without the facts.

yuckaduck · Oct 5, 2005

shredhead (DOG LOVER) said:

I do not know, I wish I had seen the posts in question because then I could form an opinion but I did not. I only posted because she sent me an email asking me too because people had asked her advice and she is now unable to respond.

shredhead (DOG LOVER) · Oct 5, 2005

I didn't follow this convo but I guess it took a turn towards communism...lol. Why do our conversations always end up about other things. Keep it to the dogs people!

yuckaduck · Oct 5, 2005

shredhead (DOG LOVER) said:

That I agree with whole heartedly.

Old Dog · Oct 6, 2005

She was banned becaused she called a spade a spade. I believe it was called" name calling' which was a little stretching the point. When someone says untrue things about you and you call them down on it .........I guess you get banned. The other person should have been banned also they started it. Manchester loves her dogs. They are NOT kenneled all the time and are NOT all debarked. She loves all dogs and would never be cruel to anything. I know, I have known her for over 30 years! Hers dogs are well taken care of and spoiled rotten. And it really ticks me off for people to say she abuses her dogs or anything like that.

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