Bad Dog Trainer Beware !!

[HappyHoundDog]

Sarah, that is your name correct?
You were the one contantly interrupting...you were the one who name called...you were the one NOT interested in learning of my training but simply were looking for a fight. I then gave you what you wanted...you got mad and hung up.

Give me an example of how I did that to you. I've given several examples of your treatment of me on the phone. Didn't you call m,e a feeble-minded liberal Catholic, or are to afraid to admit to that? Didn't you tell me that my children are not well behaved, or are you too afraid to admit in front of these people that you said those things to me?

You told me that my dogs are not trained enough, although you have never met them. I asked you how you knew so much about my family during your string of insults and you said that you knew how my family is because I'm a liberal.

I did call you a fool during our closing because of you were spewing out more political nonsense but that pales in comparison to your actions. You're a very disturbing and rude person to talk to.

Now again, I'll ask that you address me by the name I use on this forum. I understand that manners do not come easily for you but that really is a simple request.

 

[Martin Richling]

There are students who hate my guts. But not a one of them will tell you that my training does not work...
That is what I am saying kiddo...

 

[tessa_s212]

There are students who hate my guts. But not a one of them will tell you that my training does not work...
That is what I am saying kiddo...

So you have just admitted to lying. That makes you a liar. There are people unhappy with your training.

And don't you dare speak down to me. I'm not the one abusing animals to fuel and feed my own ego and power trip.

 

[Herschel]

There are students who hate my guts. But not a one of them will tell you that my training does not work...
That is what I am saying kiddo...

To avoid any more insults, bashing, or off-topic comments, could we please discuss dog training in the new thread that I created?

http://www.chazhound.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59638

Thanks!

 

[DanL]

Does that mean that Gunnar is better than Bruzer and Daisy. That he's worth more? That he's happier than Daisy and Bruzer.

Gunnar isn't a working dog. He just participates in training. He's not worth more, and happiness is subjective at best. He's happy when he's out doing something. Daisy and Bruzer are happy taking a nap and getting hugs. They have different needs to make them happy.

So what does that make pet dogs, then? I have never heard such a ridiculous statement in all my life. Just because you can send your dog to bite someone (woop-de-frickin-doo! why anyone needs to teach a pet dog to attack anyway is beyond me) means that it is somehow better than dogs who don't "work"?

I would rather be the pet dog that is not subjected to abuse who competes in 'lowly' obedience competitions than some working dog who has to suffer at the hands of some moronic macho man "trainer".

Knowing that the training my dog is receiving may save one of my family members from being a crime victim is worth it to me and is really a side benefit. The main reason I do it is because it is fun for him. I can take him for a 10 mile walk, it's not as fun or as mentally and physically exhausting as 5 minutes on the field. It's the kind of activity he enjoys, I know this because of the excitement he shows when we pull into the farm where we train. Again, my dog is not a working dog, but I believe that a dog who works for a living is better than a pet. If you knew anything about this kind of training, you'd know that a foundation of "lowly" obedience is paramount to the dogs success. I train both my dogs in obedience on a daily basis, and we attend ob classes with both of them, in addition to the working dog club and agility with Gunnar. Gunnar has been taking OB since he was a pup. We go from one class to the next. He might not be an AKC CDX any time soon, but he's reliable and steady, and that was my goal. There is nothing "lowly" about obedience training. Gunnar is far from an abused dog. He's about the most spoiled dog I know, because he's given such a wide range of activities to challenge his mind and body. He eats better than most people do, he comes everywhere with me that I can possibly take him, and he's a happy, content dog.

Mean dogs, to some men, are like fast cars and guns. I think you know where I'm going with this.

If this is directed to me, and I assume it is, then you are wrong about my dog. He is not mean. He's very well socialized with people and children, and has made great strides towards being acceptant of other dogs because of all the aforementioned classes we take him to. I can take him anywhere and people comment on how nice he is and how well behaved he is. BTW, I do not have a fast car or a gun either. I hate guns. I do have a motorcycle, but it's not fast either.

 

[Labra]

DanL, I was referring to Martin Richling with that end comment, not you.

Sorry but the the "working dogs are better than pet dogs" comment really hit a nerve with me.

 

[MelissaCato]

 

[Herschel]

I've always thought a working dog was a level above any dog that is doing things for fun.

What does that mean, Dan? I'm not trying to argue at all. I just don't understand your line of thinking.

How is a working dog "a level above" Herschel or Nala? On what scale? To me, I couldn't imagine having a better pair of dogs. So why do you think working dogs are "above" them?

 

[Herschel]

Haha! You're one of those!

 

[DanL]

Labra, I agree it was a blunt comment. My dogs are the same as yours, I'm not putting myself above anyone. I just think that a working dog who is out there helping someone every day is a step above a pet. It's not meant to put anyone down at all.

edited to comment to Hershel:

I don't have any doubt that your dogs are the best dogs you can have, and mine are the best I can have, and everyone elses are the best they can have. But a dog that is not only pleasing his master, but is helping them do a job or contributes to society, whether it's seeing eye dog, protection dog, herder, guardian, patrol, bomb or drug sniffer- those dogs to me are a level above. I can't really explain it any more than that. They have that extra "thing" that our pets do not have.

 

[Herschel]

Labra, I agree it was a blunt comment. My dogs are the same as yours, I'm not putting myself above anyone. I just think that a working dog who is out there helping someone every day is a step above a pet. It's not meant to put anyone down at all.

My dogs help me everyday. I don't consider them working dogs. Why are they sub-par? No matter your phrasing, this is coming off as being very offensive.

 

[heavyjay]

If this is directed to me, and I assume it is, then you are wrong about my dog. He is not mean. He's very well socialized with people and children, and has made great strides towards being acceptant of other dogs because of all the aforementioned classes we take him to. I can take him anywhere and people comment on how nice he is and how well behaved he is. BTW, I do not have a fast car or a gun either. I hate guns. I do have a motorcycle, but it's not fast either.

Wasn't aimed at you. It was in response to a comment about something you posted, but it was a generalization. I've read a lot of your posts in other threads and have respect for you. I wouldn't attack you personally.

 

[PWCorgi]

Thanks for clearing that up Dan. I definitaly misunderstood your original posts on the subject.

 

[MelissaCato]

Haha! You're one of those!

Yes, concider me native western civilization, thank you.

 

[swilson]

You all should hear all the BS sugar coating going on in the new Thread

 

[Whisper]

Millie is a working/service dog and I depend on her every day of my life, but I don't think she's "better" than Lucy.

 

[Herschel]

You all should hear all the BS sugar coating going on in the new Thread

Unlike this thread, the new thread's purpose is to educate. We are asking questions, Martin Richling is answer as he sees fit. Most of us haven't experienced his training methods and to better understand the statements that you have made, I think we need to learn some more.

 

[Melissa_W]

I think I understand what Dan is saying. The working dogs he's talking about don't really make suitable pets. I don't think he's saying that they are "better", or that pets are "sub-par". He has pets himself. They are just different.

 

[Whisper]

Thanks Melissa. I reread his posts and I think I understand what he is saying a little better now.

 

[Purdue#1]

I don't have the time or energy to really get into a post, as I have to go to work. I just have to say that Purdue, you absolutely sicken me. I remember when you were so concerned about Sly when he was living with your neighbor and spending most of the time in a crate and I gave you advice on how to get him to come live with you. I was under the impression he was headed for a better life, not one where he get the sh*t whapped out of him at every turn. You took an undersocialized dog and started beating on him for behaviors that you never bothered to try and correct before hand, or take into a account that he hadn't properly rasied!! YOU HAVE A FSCKING AUSSIE, there is not a reason on this EARTH you should be hitting him, except that you are young and inexperienced and oh so willing so get sucked into this jackhole's justification of abuse. God, even the old school Kohler style trainer I first apprenticed under would wet her pants in disbelief at what you are doing to your PET DOG. And she trains in Schutz, SAR, competes in agility, conformation, obedience and everything else. She trained the military dogs down at Lackland Airforce Base for fsck's sake...can your caveman of a trainer claim anything like that? NO...because he's too afraid to take his dogs around his peers and their "pansy" competitions, because he knows exactly what is going to get said about him and he's right.

I almost ruined my dog by training him the way you're training Sly and it's taken a lot of work to get him back to being happy, excited and willing to work. You are blind to the difference between "I want to work!" and "Please please see my calming, appeasement signals because I DON'T WANT TO GET BEAT!" Do some reading, go to shows, other competitions and frigging talk to other people.

You are not training your dog for military work, Schutz or anything else that could be tossed up as justification for whaling on an Aussie.

I got sly from a breeder in our area when he was 12 weeks old. if you are talking about my friend's dog i never got her.