Rutland Manor

Elegy...

I'm not looking to adopt tomorrow I just want all of my puppies to grow up together, so i'd like them to be close in age. I have the time, energy and money to dedicate to it so I figure why not?

The only reason I filled out applications for rescues was because the rescue organizations that I spoke with wouldn't even speak with me about their organization or email me back until I filled one out.

I wasn't inquiring on a particular dog I will be waiting to make my decision though until I get settled in my new home. With Rutland, if I decide to go w/them or another Australian breeder most likely I'll be put on a long long wait list, which is why I'm just trying to go through my options

Herschel- I understand where you're coming from. I also get the what kind of dog is that comments. I always say a yorkie poodle mix or a jack russell yorkie mix. Then people go "oh a yorkie poo! or a yojack!". It doesn't really bother me, but I can see how it could to some people.

I've met a few labradoodles and I love the personality. It's unlike a lot of other dogs I've met. I'm sure many people will disagree with me here, but it's just a unique thing I've noticed.

Again though, I haven't made any final decisions regardless

How can you tell their personality is different from a labrador or a poodle? I would bet that in most cases, it's just about the same as one or the other...

Honestly, most of the ones I deal with are like taller, curly Labs. They're generally crazy.

Just thought I would repeat this. Cassiepeia lives in Australia and says this is a puppy mill. Why don't you believe her? Why waste money on plane fare to go there just to try and get scammed into buying a cute puppy?

Its makes me think of the pet stores who say they do not sell puppy mill puppies, but even some people who know they do still get suckered into buying them because of how cute they are.

I just don't understand why someone who knows what a puppy mill is, and that this is a puppy mill, is still considering purchasing from this facility?

^^^^ whats she said!!!!^^^^

Silver, do you mind PMing me the list of High Kill shelters as well?

~Tucker

Okay, thanks for the opinions everyone. I'm going to stop talking about it now because obviously people don't agree with buying a mixed breed dog. I'll just ask my own questions and figure out how I feel about it on my own. I appreciate all the input.

no, we are warning you that they are a mill! if you want a dog from a puppy mill, then fine do so. its your wasted money on a dog that you can rescue, its your money going to support that mill. its your choice.

Tucker&Me, no problem, it's on the way.

Rabbits-- if I feel comfortable purchasing a dog from there which I'm NOT saying that I am, then I'm going to do so. I have to use my judgment ultimately. I'm exploring other options and don't plan on purchasing a labradoodle from anywhere for the next few months. I know how everyone here feels about mixed breed breeders and Rutland Manor. I'm taking it into consideration, I'm going to evaluate how I feel after I'm completely done with all my research.

I have a feeling that no matter where I get my labradoodle from, someone will have a problem with it unless it's a rescue. I'm going to thoroughly look for a smaller breeder that does health testing ect, and ask whoever I get my pup from many many questions.

you are probably right.
i hope you can find one at a resuce. they are out there

The second you step on to the Rutland Manor property they'll try to convince you to buy a pup. They'll be worse than a used car salesman. They'll tell you everything you want to hear and more (even if most of it is a bold face lie). I bet you won't leave without either buying a pup or leaving a deposit to have one shipped to you.

They're well known as a puppymill down here. Clean though they are and I don't understand how anyone could not see that even from their website.
Honestly I think you just don't care where the pup comes from as long as you get one.

More money to puppymills, more bitches tortured with continuous breeding (which they admit to on their site...so it's straight from their own mouth), more dogs dying in shelters. It all makes me want to cry.

I am really glad you're looking at shelters and rescues though. I applaud you for that and for checking out more reputable breeders of pure breeds.

I don't care if you get a mix breed or a purebreed, my only concern is the breeder you choose.

Cass.

I am sorry that you thought I was referring to buying a mix breed dog. Mix breed dogs are wonderful! I never indicated one bad thing about mixed breed dogs or buying from a good breeder. I never noticed anyone else did either?

I asked a straight forward question. You know this is a puppy mill, why are you still considering adopting a dog from them? I would like to know what your frame of mind is with this.

We can't have it both ways. Either
a) you Believe Cassiepeia is lying. (And what reason would she have to do that?)
b) you believe Cassiepeia about it being a puppy mill, but may still choose to buy a dog from them and support a puppy mill.

If you choose not to answer my question here, I understand, because people feel very strongly about this issue. You can feel free to pm me and I will keep your response confidential other than to say you have explained. If you don't explain then I think no response says a lot.

From the evasive answers listed in this thread this is exackly what it sounds like. If this is not the case then please explain.

I'm sorry but you guys are WAY off. I just dealt with a puppy mill last weekend reporting them to the SPCA and such.

I have no intention of purchasing a dog from a puppy mill. Where in this thread did I say I was definitely buying a puppy from there? All I said was that I want to know for myself the answers to some of the questions I have for Rutland. Not in necessarily the search of buying a puppy, but in the search of satisfying my own curiosity. I want to be able to make my OWN judgment.

I am not buying a puppy regardless of where it comes from. It really bothers me that I feel bullied by some people in this thread. I asked a simple question, got some responses and said I'm choosing to make my own decision.

You can think what you want about me and my integrity, but the bottom line is if you want to judge me and assume things that's not true, you'll do it regardless.

I've said COUNTLESS times I'm considering rescues and looking into other breeders as well. Apparently unless I'm bashing Rutland whom I've never even corresponded with, I'm not doing the right thing.

My answers are most certainly not evasive. I'm contemplating options and am months away from purchasing any puppy. I've said I'm to make my own decision. What? Unless I say that I'm definitely not purchasing from Rutland apparently I don't have an answer that's clarifying enough.

Okay. I understand not believing everything you read on the internet, but you indicated you are going to travel over seas to determine if its a puppy mill does not sound right... How would you know? There facility is probably nice and clean, etc They are never going to say they are a puppy mill.

What you are missing is that it clearly indicates on there web site that they over breed there dogs. Do you not agree that a company who mass produces dogs for the purpose of profit and not in the best interest of the dogs is a puppy mill? That is what they indicate they are doing on there web site, just with some sugar coating on top.

I am trying to determine if you clearly do not understand what a puppy mill is, or you refuse to acknowledge that they are a puppy mill, which is clear from the information about breeding on there web site?

I am seriously asking, because you sound sincere and want to learn, which is great, but seem to be glossing over the fact that they clearly indicate on there site they are over breeding there dogs.

You don't have to believe a random person on the internet, but you should believe the companies own information listed right on there site, which proves the fact they are a puppy mill. There is no ifs, ands or buts about it.

You are not going to get a lot of pats on the back for supporting a puppy mill
on this forum. Please read some previous threads with the puppy mill content and do some more research and you may better understand our feelings.

OK, I think that if some of you re-read your posts you'll see just how bad you sound. I think she GETS IT ALREADY.

I can see clearly why we loose so many members here.
Unbelievable!