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So, this is a vaccination, no vaccination debate? about Mumps? ask the almost 800 out of 1000 people in NJ that were vaccinated for mumps in a recent outbreak how that vaccine worked out for them.

as for the MMR vaccine, ever look into the antibodies it makes in relation to autoimmune stuff, like diabetes? You know, because you've read or maybe perhaps performed these studies yourself that an MMR vaccine produces ICA (islet cell antibodies) that are found in about 90% of diagnosed diabetic patients. You also know that these antibodies, among many others are thought be a cause of type I diabetes?

I'd be willing to bet that most on here haven't done much in the way of independent study concerning these, they just repeat what they've heard, pro or against. Does that make one group more "right" than the other? or any more knowledgeable?
 

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A sense of humor means making hateful comments about other people meant to hurt them?
I guess I don't want one
These aren't "haha, that's so funny" jokes. These are really mean spirited "jokes"
I'm by far not a fan of Tessa and her behavior and I am not trying to step up for her- but I just read her "goodbye thread" and it's kind of sickening.
I agree with Pam- a lot of this wasn't necessary. I think the rule that we shouldn't type what we wouldn't say to another person's face gets forgotten too often when tempers rise here.

We have seen this last time with Reggin and I thought the forum as a whole realized that it is not a way to treat someone. I guess that didn't stick.

Again, I am not defending Tessa, I just can't believe the behavior of some that claim to be kind-hearted, mature adults. It remembers me more of a bully session on a schoolyard between 5th graders.
 

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So, this is a vaccination, no vaccination debate? about Mumps? ask the almost 800 out of 1000 people in NJ that were vaccinated for mumps in a recent outbreak how that vaccine worked out for them.

as for the MMR vaccine, ever look into the antibodies it makes in relation to autoimmune stuff, like diabetes? You know, because you've read or maybe perhaps performed these studies yourself that an MMR vaccine produces ICA (islet cell antibodies) that are found in about 90% of diagnosed diabetic patients. You also know that these antibodies, among many others are thought be a cause of type I diabetes?

I'd be willing to bet that most on here haven't done much in the way of independent study concerning these, they just repeat what they've heard, pro or against. Does that make one group more "right" than the other? or any more knowledgeable?
I don't think this was a pro/con vax thread--questions were asked, nothing really presented as scientific studies on either end.
Really, the responses in this thread were a reaction to an individual, and they were a reaction to not just this thread, but many comments made in various threads, over a length of time.

If we want to discuss vax. --start a thread. I think there is alot to be discussed on that topic, and very valuable info to both sides of the debate.
 

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Really??? What a nasty, obnoxious, and just plain mean thread. When you are spending your free time repeatedly belittling a teenage mother when you could just blocking her posts (but that would mean that you can't be nasty to her, and where is the sport in that, right?) then perhaps it's time for some serious reevaluation......
 

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Seriously...you can disagree with someone, dislike someone, argue with someone, etc without being nasty and cruel. Stooping to someone's level makes you no better than they are, even if you feel like it's justified.

There was a lot of good advice and anecdotes in this thread, but it was blocked and buried by all the childish behavior. That's pretty sad.
 

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the key here is i personally dont think theres many people on this board that tessa hasnt personally attacked in one way or another...direct or indirect...
she has a wonderfull way with words is one way to put it, but shes PURPOSLY hurtfull...

telling someone that having a c-section makes you unworthy of having a baby TO someone that had a c-section is just one occurance thats gone on reacently.

i personally think it was about time tessa got it back, if she cant take the fire then perhaps it is time for her to leave...
quite honestly...

tessa has been offered ALOT of advice during the short time ive personally been paying attention to her posts...and she has taken NONE of it, shes been offered advice by many only to turn around and flat out tell them they are wrong...
shes boasted how shes working the system, free rent, how working more than 6 hours a week is IMPOSSIBLE because of this that and the other reason, how the state NEEDS to give her more, needs to offere more options for health care, baby assistance, more money, THEN goes out and buys a VERY expencive digital camera (her other one worked fine but just wasnt good enough...)
ive seen many attempts of people trying to be nice to her...many offering various adivice...many trying to give her the benefit of YEARS of expereince and she has the balls to turn around and tell them THEY are wrong because her ways the only way...

i do agree that this thread got out of cotrol over the top and people got out of hand stooping to tessas level...BUT i also understand WHY folks have reacted to this the way they have...

tessa starts name dropping,
this thread alone poor breeze and others, heck, i think it was M&M's mommy who was actually being perfectly civil with tessa and suddenly tessas dragging her name through the mud...wtf?

tessa is NOT a teenager anymore, she became an adult the day she decided to have unprotected sex...she became a grownup the moment she brought that baby into this world...
she has been offered tonnes of support here and her attitude towards it has been more than discusting...and infact down right insulting to most of the members here...

she claimes shes the most nonconfrontational person EVER...and quite frankly if she feels the way she acts here is none confrontational then its no wonder she has such a hard time finding people to treat her as an adult...

now we all know some have very strong opinions on tessa here and dont miss a chance to take a pot shot...

but the likes of smkie, breeze, grammy, gypsy ect, folks that have in the past given her good advice and then just simply stepped back when it didnt sink, folks that are typically "ok dont like it im not getting into it..." the fact she drove some of those members to this kind of retaliation says an awefull lot...

i realy do wish the best for mason, but tessa NEEDS to get over herself, STOP thinking shes the queen of the universe, stop thinking that she knows EVERYTHING and better than everyone and flat out get her head out of her butt, her and her teenage husband have a child to raise in a very difficult world, and i hope for that babies sake nothing bad happens,
but as parents...
well tessa needs a HUGE dose of reality...

and im not talking "i live with my grandmother in law for free work 6 hours a week and live off the govt..."
 

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Oh, and the "why you should buy expensive electronic equipment even though you can't afford food" chapter. That's always a good one.
This was something I have been wondering about since I saw her camera thread.

Really??? What a nasty, obnoxious, and just plain mean thread. When you are spending your free time repeatedly belittling a teenage mother when you could just blocking her posts (but that would mean that you can't be nasty to her, and where is the sport in that, right?) then perhaps it's time for some serious reevaluation......
Sadly, blocking her posts doesn't always mean you can ignore the drama. It's not only her own threads she starts this stuff in.

Smkie, you have nothing to apologize for. I actually think there are very few comments in this thread that deserve apologies. But we've already established that I'm a coldhearted bitch, so my opinion there doesn't count.
 

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the key here is i personally dont think theres many people on this board that tessa hasnt personally attacked in one way or another...direct or indirect...
she has a wonderfull way with words is one way to put it, but shes PURPOSLY hurtfull...

telling someone that having a c-section makes you unworthy of having a baby TO someone that had a c-section is just one occurance thats gone on reacently.

i personally think it was about time tessa got it back, if she cant take the fire then perhaps it is time for her to leave...
quite honestly...

tessa has been offered ALOT of advice during the short time ive personally been paying attention to her posts...and she has taken NONE of it, shes been offered advice by many only to turn around and flat out tell them they are wrong...
shes boasted how shes working the system, free rent, how working more than 6 hours a week is IMPOSSIBLE because of this that and the other reason, how the state NEEDS to give her more, needs to offere more options for health care, baby assistance, more money, THEN goes out and buys a VERY expencive digital camera (her other one worked fine but just wasnt good enough...)
ive seen many attempts of people trying to be nice to her...many offering various adivice...many trying to give her the benefit of YEARS of expereince and she has the balls to turn around and tell them THEY are wrong because her ways the only way...

i do agree that this thread got out of cotrol over the top and people got out of hand stooping to tessas level...BUT i also understand WHY folks have reacted to this the way they have...

tessa starts name dropping,
this thread alone poor breeze and others, heck, i think it was M&M's mommy who was actually being perfectly civil with tessa and suddenly tessas dragging her name through the mud...wtf?

tessa is NOT a teenager anymore, she became an adult the day she decided to have unprotected sex...she became a grownup the moment she brought that baby into this world...
she has been offered tonnes of support here and her attitude towards it has been more than discusting...and infact down right insulting to most of the members here...

she claimes shes the most nonconfrontational person EVER...and quite frankly if she feels the way she acts here is none confrontational then its no wonder she has such a hard time finding people to treat her as an adult...

now we all know some have very strong opinions on tessa here and dont miss a chance to take a pot shot...

but the likes of smkie, breeze, grammy, gypsy ect, folks that have in the past given her good advice and then just simply stepped back when it didnt sink, folks that are typically "ok dont like it im not getting into it..." the fact she drove some of those members to this kind of retaliation says an awefull lot...

i realy do wish the best for mason, but tessa NEEDS to get over herself, STOP thinking shes the queen of the universe, stop thinking that she knows EVERYTHING and better than everyone and flat out get her head out of her butt, her and her teenage husband have a child to raise in a very difficult world, and i hope for that babies sake nothing bad happens,
but as parents...
well tessa needs a HUGE dose of reality...

and im not talking "i live with my grandmother in law for free work 6 hours a week and live off the govt..."
THis all deserved to be said twice.

:hail::hail::hail::hail::hail:
 

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the key here is i personally dont think theres many people on this board that tessa hasnt personally attacked in one way or another...direct or indirect...
she has a wonderfull way with words is one way to put it, but shes PURPOSLY hurtfull...

telling someone that having a c-section makes you unworthy of having a baby TO someone that had a c-section is just one occurance thats gone on reacently.

i personally think it was about time tessa got it back, if she cant take the fire then perhaps it is time for her to leave...
quite honestly...

tessa has been offered ALOT of advice during the short time ive personally been paying attention to her posts...and she has taken NONE of it, shes been offered advice by many only to turn around and flat out tell them they are wrong...
shes boasted how shes working the system, free rent, how working more than 6 hours a week is IMPOSSIBLE because of this that and the other reason, how the state NEEDS to give her more, needs to offere more options for health care, baby assistance, more money, THEN goes out and buys a VERY expencive digital camera (her other one worked fine but just wasnt good enough...)
ive seen many attempts of people trying to be nice to her...many offering various adivice...many trying to give her the benefit of YEARS of expereince and she has the balls to turn around and tell them THEY are wrong because her ways the only way...

i do agree that this thread got out of cotrol over the top and people got out of hand stooping to tessas level...BUT i also understand WHY folks have reacted to this the way they have...

tessa starts name dropping,
this thread alone poor breeze and others, heck, i think it was M&M's mommy who was actually being perfectly civil with tessa and suddenly tessas dragging her name through the mud...wtf?

tessa is NOT a teenager anymore, she became an adult the day she decided to have unprotected sex...she became a grownup the moment she brought that baby into this world...
she has been offered tonnes of support here and her attitude towards it has been more than discusting...and infact down right insulting to most of the members here...

she claimes shes the most nonconfrontational person EVER...and quite frankly if she feels the way she acts here is none confrontational then its no wonder she has such a hard time finding people to treat her as an adult...

now we all know some have very strong opinions on tessa here and dont miss a chance to take a pot shot...

but the likes of smkie, breeze, grammy, gypsy ect, folks that have in the past given her good advice and then just simply stepped back when it didnt sink, folks that are typically "ok dont like it im not getting into it..." the fact she drove some of those members to this kind of retaliation says an awefull lot...

i realy do wish the best for mason, but tessa NEEDS to get over herself, STOP thinking shes the queen of the universe, stop thinking that she knows EVERYTHING and better than everyone and flat out get her head out of her butt, her and her teenage husband have a child to raise in a very difficult world, and i hope for that babies sake nothing bad happens,
but as parents...
well tessa needs a HUGE dose of reality...

and im not talking "i live with my grandmother in law for free work 6 hours a week and live off the govt..."
It's not frequently that I agree with you Foxy (but I do respect your opinions, lol) but this right here...it says more than I could ever say and still be nice. Kudos.
 

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the key here is i personally dont think theres many people on this board that tessa hasnt personally attacked in one way or another...direct or indirect...
she has a wonderfull way with words is one way to put it, but shes PURPOSLY hurtfull...

telling someone that having a c-section makes you unworthy of having a baby TO someone that had a c-section is just one occurance thats gone on reacently.

i personally think it was about time tessa got it back, if she cant take the fire then perhaps it is time for her to leave...
quite honestly...

tessa has been offered ALOT of advice during the short time ive personally been paying attention to her posts...and she has taken NONE of it, shes been offered advice by many only to turn around and flat out tell them they are wrong...
shes boasted how shes working the system, free rent, how working more than 6 hours a week is IMPOSSIBLE because of this that and the other reason, how the state NEEDS to give her more, needs to offere more options for health care, baby assistance, more money, THEN goes out and buys a VERY expencive digital camera (her other one worked fine but just wasnt good enough...)
ive seen many attempts of people trying to be nice to her...many offering various adivice...many trying to give her the benefit of YEARS of expereince and she has the balls to turn around and tell them THEY are wrong because her ways the only way...

i do agree that this thread got out of cotrol over the top and people got out of hand stooping to tessas level...BUT i also understand WHY folks have reacted to this the way they have...

tessa starts name dropping,
this thread alone poor breeze and others, heck, i think it was M&M's mommy who was actually being perfectly civil with tessa and suddenly tessas dragging her name through the mud...wtf?

tessa is NOT a teenager anymore, she became an adult the day she decided to have unprotected sex...she became a grownup the moment she brought that baby into this world...
she has been offered tonnes of support here and her attitude towards it has been more than discusting...and infact down right insulting to most of the members here...

she claimes shes the most nonconfrontational person EVER...and quite frankly if she feels the way she acts here is none confrontational then its no wonder she has such a hard time finding people to treat her as an adult...

now we all know some have very strong opinions on tessa here and dont miss a chance to take a pot shot...

but the likes of smkie, breeze, grammy, gypsy ect, folks that have in the past given her good advice and then just simply stepped back when it didnt sink, folks that are typically "ok dont like it im not getting into it..." the fact she drove some of those members to this kind of retaliation says an awefull lot...

i realy do wish the best for mason, but tessa NEEDS to get over herself, STOP thinking shes the queen of the universe, stop thinking that she knows EVERYTHING and better than everyone and flat out get her head out of her butt, her and her teenage husband have a child to raise in a very difficult world, and i hope for that babies sake nothing bad happens,
but as parents...
well tessa needs a HUGE dose of reality...

and im not talking "i live with my grandmother in law for free work 6 hours a week and live off the govt..."
:hail::hail::hail::hail::hail: x3
 

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I also Agree with Foxy.

Not to drudge up hard feelings but this isn't the first time that Tessa has felt the need to leave chaz after her attitude got her a bad reputation and I'm sure no one has forgotten that either. and then always comes back with the promise that her attitude has improved but it always goes back to old habits.
 

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I also Agree with Foxy.

Not to drudge up hard feelings but this isn't the first time that Tessa has felt the need to leave chaz after her attitude got her a bad reputation and I'm sure no one has forgotten that either. and then always comes back with the promise that her attitude has improved but it always goes back to old habits.
I don't think I ever remember her leaving before, I'm new enough I missed a lot of it, but from what I've seen, yeah, I'm not digging into that again but let's just say today "enough was enough".
 

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the key here is i personally dont think theres many people on this board that tessa hasnt personally attacked in one way or another...direct or indirect...
she has a wonderfull way with words is one way to put it, but shes PURPOSLY hurtfull...

telling someone that having a c-section makes you unworthy of having a baby TO someone that had a c-section is just one occurance thats gone on reacently.

i personally think it was about time tessa got it back, if she cant take the fire then perhaps it is time for her to leave...
quite honestly...

tessa has been offered ALOT of advice during the short time ive personally been paying attention to her posts...and she has taken NONE of it, shes been offered advice by many only to turn around and flat out tell them they are wrong...
shes boasted how shes working the system, free rent, how working more than 6 hours a week is IMPOSSIBLE because of this that and the other reason, how the state NEEDS to give her more, needs to offere more options for health care, baby assistance, more money, THEN goes out and buys a VERY expencive digital camera (her other one worked fine but just wasnt good enough...)
ive seen many attempts of people trying to be nice to her...many offering various adivice...many trying to give her the benefit of YEARS of expereince and she has the balls to turn around and tell them THEY are wrong because her ways the only way...

i do agree that this thread got out of cotrol over the top and people got out of hand stooping to tessas level...BUT i also understand WHY folks have reacted to this the way they have...

tessa starts name dropping,
this thread alone poor breeze and others, heck, i think it was M&M's mommy who was actually being perfectly civil with tessa and suddenly tessas dragging her name through the mud...wtf?

tessa is NOT a teenager anymore, she became an adult the day she decided to have unprotected sex...she became a grownup the moment she brought that baby into this world...
she has been offered tonnes of support here and her attitude towards it has been more than discusting...and infact down right insulting to most of the members here...

she claimes shes the most nonconfrontational person EVER...and quite frankly if she feels the way she acts here is none confrontational then its no wonder she has such a hard time finding people to treat her as an adult...

now we all know some have very strong opinions on tessa here and dont miss a chance to take a pot shot...

but the likes of smkie, breeze, grammy, gypsy ect, folks that have in the past given her good advice and then just simply stepped back when it didnt sink, folks that are typically "ok dont like it im not getting into it..." the fact she drove some of those members to this kind of retaliation says an awefull lot...

i realy do wish the best for mason, but tessa NEEDS to get over herself, STOP thinking shes the queen of the universe, stop thinking that she knows EVERYTHING and better than everyone and flat out get her head out of her butt, her and her teenage husband have a child to raise in a very difficult world, and i hope for that babies sake nothing bad happens,
but as parents...
well tessa needs a HUGE dose of reality...

and im not talking "i live with my grandmother in law for free work 6 hours a week and live off the govt..."
:hail::hail: agreed
 

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Sadly, blocking her posts doesn't always mean you can ignore the drama. It's not only her own threads she starts this stuff in.
People could ignore it but they chose not to. Nobody is FORCING anyone to read threads, hit the reply button, or make some of the deliberately hurtful comments that I saw on this thread.

I was honestly appalled at some of the things I've read on here tonight and I've been going on a variety of boards for years. I cannot sit here with a straight face and read people bitch about Tessa's immaturity when there are dogs with better impulse control than some of those same posters have shown on this thread. And it's not just on this thread--seriously--I swear Tessa could post "I just took a pee" and someone would come back with "What the hell are you doing peeing when you should be out getting off welfare!"

This thread was really just very sad to me.
 
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IF you can sit there and say you are protecting yoru baby from disease (implying that I am not), then why is it rude for me to say that I'm protecting my baby from vaccines? pot meet kettle.
Ummm, no its totally different. I am "pro-vax" and you say you are "protecting" your child from vaccinations, which is something I am for. That implies that I am not protecting my child, actually, it implies that I am HARMING my child by choosing to vax.

I said that I feel that I am protecting my child from disease, which basically only means that I believe vaccines work (by protecting from disease). So unless you are "pro-disease" or intentionally inflicting diseases on your kid ! see no way that you could be offended by my statement.

Thats just the bottom line :confused: If I didnt feel like vaccines protect from disease why would I let people poke my baby w/ needles?
 
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