What'd you guys think of poodle/golden crosses?

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And Zoom, these dogs are MUCH MUCH MUCH better than the average BYB. The purebreds are WAY better than even the most responsible breeder I've met.
They're also selecting for different criteria than most...steadiness and gentleness. Most breeders are either breeding for the ring, which takes out a lot of brains, or for the field, which is a whole different set of behaviors than those required for service dogs.

The GDA should really update their website, being as how they're such a freaking huge organization and all. What are blind/deaf/disabled people with allergies going to think when they go hunting for a good dog for them?
 
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Actually, GDA is not at ALL big. We've only got around three hundred puppies out at a time, opposed to Guide Dogs for the Blind, (The other GD school in California) who has around six hundred puppies out at a time. I know quite a few people who like GDA much better because it's smaller, and it's really more like a family than an organization. Yes, three hundred puppies is alot, but that's spread throughout all of SoCal, and even around fifteen up in Washington, and we have different meetings. The meeting I go to has about twenty puppies.
 
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I will echo an earlier question: Why are they breeding Goldendoodles? What is wrong with just a Golden?

I say go with a GSD.
 

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you said you didnt know much about pure standard poodles. these are by far one of my favorite dogs. they are smart, very easy to train. they are to me a breed that aims to please whoever is near them. i work at a kennel and the owner breeds poodles (all of hers are champions) and the only undesirable thing they do is bark a lot when someone comes in the house. we also get tons of poodles. i would say that the majority of them are not snippy or skiddish. there are many who are more independent and not exactly playful, but they are more than happy to sit by you for hours and have you pet them.

goldendoodles, by far one of my least favorite designer breeds. you take a poodle, very smart, horrendous amount of grooming, little bit independent. than take a golden, playful, trainable but not nearly as smart as a poodle, and terribly overbred. you get a golden with poodle hair, basically. i have seen very few carry on the traits of a poodle, which is horrible when it comes to grooming. the ones i have met are also crazy hyper (also had owners who had no clue what to dowith a dog like that).

im not a fan and will never own one. if you could get a pure standard get one. you will not be disapointed, and will probably be easier to train than a cross
 
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Thanks, Duncan for the info. But actually, the reason we DO breed goldendoodles IS because we get a golden with poodle hair. We've tried the pure poodles, and they did not work out at ALL. Not to say that they are not smart, (They ARE) but just aren't cut out for guide work. If we mix a poodle with a golden, we get the temperment of a Golden Retriever, and the hypoallergenicness of a poodle.

And as I said before guys, it's is NOT like I am supporting a BYB breeder by buying a doodle. If you guys say it's fine to rescue a goldendoodle, then it should be fine for me to raise one as well.
 
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:rolleyes: Is nobody even reading what Puppyraiser is saying?

The dogs that are bred are owned by the guide dog organization. They don't come from a puppymill, or a pet shop, or joe schmoe down the street. They are produced by the program, for the program. EVERY dog produced by the prgram gets spayed/neutered regardless of whether they complete their guide dog training, unless they are selected to go back into the guide dog breeding program. So no, none of them would end up reproducing like crazy, or in a shelter as the "rejects" are adopted out on strict contracts, much like the ones responsible breeders put together for their puppies. Yeesh.

When you look at it that way, it really doesn't matter if the organization produces mutts or whatever, because they have measures in place to make sure none of their animals ends up homeless or getting bred. They are here to do a job.

Also, I can totally see why breeding golden/doodle mixes would be necessary for a program like this. Yes, disabled people can have allergies, and still need a service dog. No, not all golden/poodle mixes are allergy free, but MANY of them are, and if they can produce less puppies with more of them qualifying for guide work than the success rate (1 out of 14) that was achieved with purebred poodles, more power to them. That equals less dogs who didn't make the cut to find homes for.

Frankly, I'm not surprised that they had such a low success rate with the poodles. Every standard poodle I have ever met was a lovely dog, well trained and very intelligent, BUT they also had a strong streak of being a "one man's dog". That is, they didn't do terribly well in public around strangers, despite heavy socialization. They seemed to always be on the alert for people coming too close to their "space", or their master's "space". The last thing anybody needs is for a guide dog that is going to freak, maybe growl or bite at the morons who try and pet it while it's working.

Honestly, if it suited the needs of service dog organizations to produce chinese crested/golden/mastiff/trundlefart crosses, and they made sure each one produced was responsibly placed and speutered, I would have zero problems with that.
 
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Thanks, Romy. I'm not good at explaining things, but yes, that's exactly what I meant.

What you described with pure poodles is exactly why most of them didn't make it. I know that a couple were dropped for aggressive issues when out and about, and one was dropped for having a submissive peeing problem when out in public. Both of those were stress problems. Guide work is an extremely stressful line of work, and frankly poodles aren't cut out for it.

And in defense of the statement "If people see you with a goldendoodle puppy in training, they're going to think that it's okay to get." There are alot of mix-breeds in shelters that are VERY good looking. If someone were to adopt a golden/boxer mix, and it turned out to be very nice looking, does that mean that people you pass on the street is going to start looking for someone who breeds golden/boxer mixes??
 
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Raise a german shepherd.. I think that getting a "goldendoodle" or any purposly crossed dog just promotes "designer dogs" and BYBs.
 

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What nobody seems to be understanding here is that "goldendoodle" and "labradoodle" mixes, in this case, are created for a specific purpose.

That purpose is to provide a service dog for disabled folks with allergies. What Puppyraiser does is what their name says, raise puppies until they are old enough to begin their guide dog training.

The way I see it, you can have it three ways:

1. Breed a whole butt-load of purebred standard poodles, which have a very low success rate of becoming service dogs due to unsuitable temperaments for that kind of work, which creates a large excess of dogs. But hey, it's okay because at least they are purebred!

2. Cross a standard poodle with either a lab or golden, which will produce some puppies with a hypoallergenic coat that someone with dog allergies can live with. Not all of the puppies will be allergy free, but many many more of them will go on to become service dogs because of the adjustment in temperament. This will result in less puppies being produced to fill the needs of the disabled population and results in less dogs being cut from the program because their temperaments didn't work.

3. Tell those disabled folks with allergies who would really benefit from a service dog in their lives that, no, they can't have one because producing a dog that fits their needs encourages the "designer dog" fad and results in more homeless animals.

101 Dalmations "made" BYBs start mass producing the breed to fill the demands of the ignorant public. Does that mean the movie should never have been made? What about Lassie? Rin Tin Tin? Snowdogs? Wishbone? In my opinion popularizing any breed or mix will lead to them becoming in demand, and overbred by BYBs as a result. Service dog organizations are probably the most honorable kind of dog folks out there, and I hardly think that they should be held responsible for the stupid choices of ignorant people who treat animals like fashion accessories. I don't care if they are treating a golden/poodle mix or a purebred poodle as a fashion accessory, it is still an animal and it will happen with whatever breed or mix happens to be popular at the moment. Saying people shouldn't have that particular mix available as a service dog despite the great advantages, just because some people might want to get one from a BYB is just plain selfish.

To me, the answer is clear. There is a clear purpose to these crossbred dogs that benefits humankind which is not satisfied by any purebred out there, and therefore it is ethical to breed them for that purpose. Sometimes, a purebred dog isn't the most ideal dog for a job. The concept of guide dogs is a fairly recent one, and so it makes sense that there will need to be soem adjustment to the breeds of dogs out there in order to produce the most ideal dog for the job.

Puppyraiser, you are doing to world a lot of good by raising puppies for service dog programs, and I salute you whatever breed or mix you choose to work with next. If in fact, someone does want a goldendoodle after seeing yours, you could probably talk them into adopting one from service dog folks rather than going to a pet shop or somewhere else equally as nasty.
 
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There are other breeds that could be used.. I think that each dog is different.. So some poodles are able to become service dogs. I think that it is matter of bloodlines. If you cross the right poodles that have good temperment for this kind of work and have been genetically tested also for disease and etc. I seriously think that its more of the individual dogs you breed than the actual breed itself.
 

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I own both an almost 4 year old Goldendoodle and a standard poodle, male as well. Both are great, but I have to say that the doodle thing is OVER RATED! You have breeders popping up ALL OVER and using dogs from both breeds which are not the best specimens of either to get the cross. Breeders who are in it for the betterment of the breed will NOT let their dogs be crossed with the other. I KNOW. I am talking from experience here. I know soooooo many doodles that are ending up in shelters, far more, especially for how long they have been in existence than standard poodles EVER! While I love my GD male to pieces, I for one, will no longer support the purposeful breeding of this mix. If I ever get another mix, it will be from a rescue. These poor dogs are being over bred and miss represented to the public. They are being crossed with dogs that are not test for diseases, temperament, conformation etc. Not all, but a lot of them.
 

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^^^^ agree !!! As there is no standard ( unlike the AUSTRALIAN Labradoodle ) .... you never know which breed will dominate .
 

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First off, I'm thinking of my next puppy-in-training to be one. Mind you, it's not that I think that "goldendoodles" are the latest in fashion or anything, but I think they're so darn cute, and all the ones I have met have been huge sweethearts. I am (as I'm sure most of you are) against the actual breeder breeding them, but seeing as they are guide dogs, I have nothing against them.

I know alot about golden retrievers, but am not experienced at ALL with standard poodles. I've never even met one! Lol. But, I have researched them and they seem like I would really enjoy having one. But sadly, Guide Dogs of America doesn't breed purebred poodles anymore, but they still like the goldendoodles/labradoodles. (And I really don't think that I would like a pure poodle...At least not yet.) Anyway, I've got Blitz for another year, so it's not like I'm in a hurry!! I'm just thinking of the possibilities. If I don't raise a goldendoodle, I will raise a German Shepherd.
Personally I hate them. If they want to use mutts then they should go to the pound. I groom dogs and unfortunately see tons of these dogs. I have yet to meet a smart one, or one that wasnt so hyper it was bouncing off the walls, Also they DO shed, more often than not, they also require alot of grooming daily or else they will get matted beyond belife in a short amount of time. Personally I would go with the shepherd.
 

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I am going to post what I am sure will be an unpopular opinion. I think if the guide dog people can produce a suitable guide dog that is less allergenic, it will be good not only for blind people with allergies, but for people with allergies who are forced to be near these dogs because of the unusual access they are accorded.

It seems to me there would be less resistance to a guide dog in a restaurant or on an airplane if it didn't shed and didn't aggravate peoples' allergies. Because they are allowed places other dogs are not, A non-shedding dog seems like a great idea to me, and worth experimenting with. This is no different than the creation of dog breeds for a purpose throughout history and has NOTHING to do with backyard breeding.
 

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It's such a shame that they have been over rated ..... Ollie was listed as a Golden/poodle mix on Petfinder ..... I could see only Golden except for his curly hair . I still say he's Golden/Chessie mix .....I want him to be a wonderful mutt , not a designer dog !!
 

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i have no issues with people cross breeding. Thats how we have many of the breeds we do today. But people who are cross breeding need to be as responsible as any other breeder. IE health checks, performance records, spay/neuter contracts, and being responsible for the pups for life. (so they never end up in shelters)

It is not a purebred/mixed breed issue. There are tonnes of crappy purebreds out there too, in shelters.
 
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haven't read many responses, but I am against the breeding of mixes specially these 'designer things'
I have know 2 doodle things well and even tho one of them grew up in a dentist office surrounded by new people everyday and was VERY friendly with people she knew both dogs growled at nearly everyone they did not know. And not just a little growl but a good loud growl.
the other doodle thing could also be dominant aggressive.
 

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