What would you consider a "BYB"?

[Plear]

Like the title says... what would you consider a Backyard breeder? For instance, if the breeder only has a couple breeding dogs (like, 3) and treats their dogs well, but is breeding them horribly (poor quality or no working potintial), would you call them a BYB? Is just anything that doesn't bred for show or field/herding/working in some way considered a BYB to you?

I was wondering because where we got Dixie wasn't all that bad, honestly. They had about 5 dogs, kept them inside... I don't know if they fed them well or did health tests before breeding, and Dixie is absolutely HORRIBLE conformationally, but other than that they were acceptable in the way they kept their dogs. (of course I still feel horrible that I promoted them, because they aren't GOOD breeders.)

Sooo basicly... what do you say?

 

[Lizmo]

For instance, if the breeder only has a couple breeding dogs (like, 3) and treats their dogs well, but is breeding them horribly (poor quality or no working potintial), would you call them a BYB? Is just anything that doesn't bred for show or field/herding/working in some way considered a BYB to you?

Yup And also, alllll good breeders will to Health testing on all there stock before Breeding ANY dog.

And also, a good breeder is going to have homes lined up for the pups BEFORE the pups are born, and they only reason a pup would not have a home is if some one backed out of the deal.

 

[Plear]

Also, what would you consider betterment of a breed?

 

[Lizmo]

What do you mean by "betterment Of A Breed"

 

[Plear]

Like... its hard to explain - what would you consider "making the breed better"? Temperment, working ability....?

 

[Lizmo]

Well, I think it would depend on the breed.

If you mean like making the breed better through breeding....Take BC's for example.....They are bred for herding, so you would want to take a BC that does VERY well in Herding, but also has a sound Temp. and conforms to the BC standered.

But not sure of that answered your question, though.

 

[tessa_s212]

BYB is

-only breeds for money, or for "another Fido"
-does not health test
-is not educated and knowledgeable
-does not screen buyers

My mother used to be a BYB. For a BYB, she took excellent care of the puppies and loved them. She got their shots, socialized them, and taught me as a young kid to care for young puppies and a nursing mother. BUT, our dogs were NOT health tested, they were not planned breedings, our puppies went to bad homes, and even to pet stores. The dad to one of the puppies we kept now is blind in one eye. Less than a year later his daughter went blind in both eyes.. and we are responsible for her blindness.

My mom only had the best intentions and she did her best to care for those puppies.. sure.. but that does NOT make it right. That does NOT justify anything.. it is NO excuse. A BYB is a BYB, and they should NEVER be encouraged to continue to produce puppies.

 

[agilityretrievers]

I'd say that improving the breed is done by breeding dogs that are above average in at least one area and not below average in any area. By "area" I mean structure, working ability, trainability, and depending on the breeder's chosen area of specialization those areas can be further broken down.

BYB:

- doesn't health test
- doesn't care much about where puppies end up
- doesn't know about the breed or dogs in general

Undesirable but not necessarily always BYB:

- doesn't have valid reason breeding their dog will improve the breed (excellent structure, exceptional field ability, excellent temperament for agility/obedience/therapy/SAR work or something else with a "point," etc)
- dogs have glaring shortcomings in any area (structure, working ability, trainability, etc)
- doesn't have specific goals for their lines and areas they want to improve upon
- doesn't do decently in multiple sports and excel in at least one (if they're breeding top field dogs I want to see some obedience/agility and good structure in there as well, if they're breeding top obedience/agility dogs I want to see good structure and hunting titles, etc because Goldens are a versatile breed that should be competent in all areas)

 

[RedyreRottweilers]

My opinion?

If you are not competing

You are back yard breeding.

Period.

 

[Cassiepeia]

BYB is someone who...

Doesn't test for genetic problems.
Doesn't compete their dogs.
Doesn't include the animals in a family situation (I'm not a fan of dogs kept in kennels all the time and their only purpose in life being shown in dog shows).
Doesn't breed to better the breed (ie: to improve health first and foremost, conformation -relative to their working purpose-, temperament -if there are problems or to maintain good temperament-).

Cass.

 

[stevinski]

Also, what would you consider betterment of a breed?

Good breeders breed for a reason (working or show)
BYB's breed for pets

 

[bubbatd]

Then I guess I was a BYB . Did all the testings ,bred only to Champion backgrounds , many pups went on to show both Obedience , Field and Conformation . Bred my females one at a time every 2 years or so and only 2 litters each . But I did NOT personally show .

 

[Debi]

Then I guess I was a BYB . Did all the testings ,bred only to Champion backgrounds , many pups went on to show both Obedience , Field and Conformation . Bred my females one at a time every 2 years or so and only 2 litters each . But I did NOT personally show .

OH GOODNESS...NO. I have personally seen your records....you were NOT a BYB. I was so impressed with your dog's pedigrees and backgrounds. you bred the best. just because you did not personally show...paleeeese. I would have LOVED to have one of your pups!

 

[Debi]

My opinion?

If you are not competing

You are back yard breeding.

Period.

disagree....period.

come on...'if you are not competing'. are you serious? BYB's breed for the buck. sure, they round up a couple 'pedigree' dogs...pump out the puppies...and sadly there are too many people out there that keep paying, so they thrive. they could care less about vet care, health tests...it's easy money. I don't care how well they treat their dogs.....those people are BYBs of the worst kind. I've met true breeders that don't compete themselves. that's just a statement of true arrogance. (well sue me, cause I think I can't spell today)

 

[lakotasong]

My opinion?

If you are not competing

You are back yard breeding.

Period.

I have to agree. The only exception I will make is for working dogs that work for a living and don't compete. Working ranch dogs, trapline sled dogs, etc.

 

[RedyreRottweilers]

disagree....period.

come on...'if you are not competing'. are you serious? BYB's breed for the buck. sure, they round up a couple 'pedigree' dogs...pump out the puppies...and sadly there are too many people out there that keep paying, so they thrive. they could care less about vet care, health tests...it's easy money. I don't care how well they treat their dogs.....those people are BYBs of the worst kind. I've met true breeders that don't compete themselves. that's just a statement of true arrogance. (well sue me, cause I think I can't spell today)

It's just my personal opinion.

Clearly notated as such.

No one need agree with it.

 

[Debi]

It's just my personal opinion.

Clearly notated as such.

No one need agree with it.

I understand. you are truly an asset with your knowledge. I think sometimes you post in a manner that diminishes the point.

 

[terrier terror]

For instance, if the breeder only has a couple breeding dogs (like, 3) and treats their dogs well, but is breeding them horribly (poor quality or no working potintial), would you call them a BYB? Is just anything that doesn't bred for show or field/herding/working in some way considered a BYB to you?

Yes to both Q's.

Someone who takes in account the breed's temperament (the temperament they were bred to have to do the job they were bred to do), the ability to do the job the breed was bred for, health, and to the standard is a good breeder imo (and someone who considers all of these things and doesn't place one as more important than the other).

Someone who breeds just for pets or for a buck, regardless of how healthy the parents are, isn't a good breeder to me. They can have the cleanest home or facility, they can love on their dogs all the time and treat them well, they can feed raw or a premium food, they can even do health testing. But if they are not breeding for temperament, health, ability, and to the standard - they suck (and I probably should put "imo" ).

On the topic of competing: I agree, I want to see a breeder do SOMETHING with their dogs. Someone who competes in both earthdog (using this as an example for terriers) and conformation VS just conformation is another thing I would love to see. If a parent doesn't have any titles, I want to know why - and it better be a good reason ("I don't like politics" doesn't work for me).

( and I'm hoping this post is readable, being sick + taking meds = horrible results most of the time )

 

[adojrts]

I agree;
Genetic testing is a must (of course the testing is only as good as the people that DONT bred from carriers or affected dogs)
breeding for a purpose
Proven in SOMETHING, is esp. for a working breed.
I really don't care about Titles from the conformation ring, for working breeds.
But that same dog/bitch had better be a PROVEN working or performance dog.
Temperament- if you can't live with it, if you can't train it.......who wants it?

Now having said all this................there are very few breeders that compete, do the testing and win that I would purchase a dog from.
I also don't like folks that breed to fill puppy orders, BYB or otherwise.

Take care
Lynn

 

[bubbatd]

Redy .. that's why I stated my case. I did breed for a reason . To raise the best pups for disposition , looks and health as possible . And yes , the purpose was a pup you could show or love to death or just get their TDIs and make many elders and disabled people as happy as possible .