Voting

[Laurelin]

I'm not saying we need just one more party. I'm saying that voting should be more of a free for all, rather than controlled by the media/special interests.

The problem is that the "major parties" basically support the same values. Right now, we need major change in our government. Unfortunately, Hillary, Obama, Huckabee, and McCain aren't all that different. They bicker over words, but it's basically the same.

Have there really been any drastic changes from Bill Clinton's administration to Dubya's? (Other than the war, although Clinton did have his own little wars) Health care is still terrible. Our debt (which we always seem to ignore) increased during Clinton and increased some more during Bush.

Well, obviously. Compare our parties to those overseas. Overseas there is a lot more of a difference. Ours are all basically the same and then the things they disagree on they will not actually change because it's too risky for them political career wise. So you have two parties that say two different things but while they're both in power you see no real difference.

Not arguing with you there either.

And that's also why I don't buy the notion that if we get a democratic president that our troubles will magically go away.

 

[Herschel]

And that's also why I don't buy the notion that if we get a democratic president that our troubles will magically go away.

Yeah, funny how that works.

A huge percentage of people that vote for John McCain are against the war. Yet, he says there will be "more wars": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZCISY40qns

Likewise, a huge percentage of people that vote for Barack Obama think he is going to end the war in Iraq:

Residual Force to Remain: Under the Obama plan, American troops may remain in Iraq or the region. These American troops will protect American diplomatic and military personnel in Iraq, and continue striking at al Qaeda in Iraq. If Iraq makes political progress and their security forces are not sectarian, we would also continue training the Iraqi Security Forces. In the event of an outbreak of genocide, we would reserve the right to intervene, with the international community, if that intervention was needed to provide civilians with a safehaven."

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/IraqFactSheet.pdf