Tearstains.

mi_bella

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I was wondering what info you could give me about tear stains. My three month, poodle-mix has some, and I've been getting different responses.

Some say it's normal and common and not worth making a fuss. Other say it has to be treated...

So... What causes it? What can I do about them? Should I do something about it?

Thanks in advance!
 

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Well, first of all, wipe your dogs eyes every morning and evening with a warm wash cloth and that should cut down on it.. This is what I do with my yorkie.

And I've heard or people giving their dogs distilled water only and that either cutting down on the tear stains, or making them virtually non-existant.
I havent done it myself but i know people who have and its worked great.

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Ive heard alot of reasons why it happens to white dogs, my moms bichon gets them when he drinks tap water for instance lol

the only reason to "treat" it is because tear stains arent really pretty to look at..other than that, they arent bad for ur dogs health

to make them go away, my mom uses angel eyes. Amazon.com: Angels' Eyes Tear-Stain Remover for Dogs, 30 Grams: Home & Garden
 

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Well, first of all, wipe your dogs eyes every morning and evening with a warm wash cloth and that should cut down on it.. This is what I do with my yorkie.
BTW- Welcome to Chazz :D
Thank you. Yes, the shelter told me to do that so I've doing that.

& Thank you. :)

Ive heard alot of reasons why it happens to white dogs, my moms bichon gets them when he drinks tap water for instance lol

the only reason to "treat" it is because tear stains arent really pretty to look at..other than that, they arent bad for ur dogs health

to make them go away, my mom uses angel eyes. Amazon.com: Angels' Eyes Tear-Stain Remover for Dogs, 30 Grams: Home & Garden
Hm, I have been giving her tap water. Switching her to distilled shouldn't be a big deal, I'll try that.

I've heard of that product but is it okay to give it to her at such a young age?
 

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I've heard some dogs have way less tear strains when they switch to grain free food. ;)
 

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I've heard some dogs have way less tear strains when they switch to grain free food. ;)
That's another thing I had no idea about until I started looking through this forum, haha. But, yes, I am now feeding her grain free food. Although, her treats do have grain in them... would that really affect her that much?
 

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i would really really encourage you to NOT give angel eyes. what it is is a low dose of antibiotics, which is the last thing we need in this world- more antibiotic resistance.
 

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i would really really encourage you to NOT give angel eyes. what it is is a low dose of antibiotics, which is the last thing we need in this world- more antibiotic resistance.
Pardon the ignorance, but what exactly is antibiotic resistance?
 

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my Biggest suggestion other than avoiding tap water is also to avoid foods with beet, beet pulp or red dye, all 3 cause staining.
(the minerals in the tap water is what causes it water based)
 

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While we are on the subject of staining, my neighbor's Bichon has staining on his rear end and back legs I guess from chewing and licking. I would guess she has to figure out why he is doing that first, but would changing from tap water help the staining there, too? Does drinking distilled water only still give the dog whatever minerals, etc. they need? I always thought humans weren't supposed to drink only distilled water because it didn't have something in it we need?... I don't know where I heard or read that. My dog doesn't have any kind of staining and only for about the last 6 months I have been giving her bottled water only because *I* can't stand our tap water and I figured if I hated it why give it to her?
 

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Pink spots from chewing/licking is caused by the pH of a dog's saliva. It's not really known how to change the body's pH balance.
 

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Does drinking distilled water only still give the dog whatever minerals, etc. they need? I always thought humans weren't supposed to drink only distilled water because it didn't have something in it we need?...QUOTE]

Yeah, I've heard that too but I don't think it could cause any severe damage to keep dogs from tap water...
 

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if you read the reviews of angels eyes on Amazon.com...most people had problems getting their dogs to eat it...even when mixed with wet food. That was the largest complaint.
 

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Hi there

My understanding of the staining, both tear and saliva is as follows

Red yeast makes the stains red to rusty red in colour.

This yeast can also be quite smelly.

The enzyme from which the yeast grows is formed by the bacteria in the tears "eating" (metabolising) the iron content in the tears as it starts to rust (oxidise).


The degree of staining is ultimately related to the extent of tearing. So it follows that if you were able to keep the fur dry you would have no staining as the bacteria needs a damp and warm environment.

Please do not worry about the bacteria in the tears- it is perfectly natural, safe and does not lead to infection

Possible solutions

Distilled water/vinegar/TUMS

Tears are about 7.4 ph which is close to neutral (7.0 ph) but very slightly alkali.

The bacteria needs a ph value close to neutral to metabolise the iron.

Distilled water will have less iron so there is less for the bacteria to metabolise. The success depends on the amount of iron in the rest of the iron (the key source of iron and mineral intake).

Rain water will have low mineral content.

Cider vinegar in the drinking water might work by making the ph value of the tears more acidic, thereby preventing the bacteria from metabolising the iron- I doubt that it is acidic enough to actually kill the bacteria.

TUMS etc- works as above but makes the tears more alkali.

I do not think that TUMS or vinegar should be used in the long term but are probably ok in the short term.


Diet

This can work on a number of levels

Dogs are often intolerant to processed grains and many of the bulking agents/preservatives in store food- not part of their natural diet. Higher quality diets (such as home cooked) are likely to have fewer of these- additionally green vegetables can help to oxidise the iron inside the body before they enter the tears. The bacteria is unable to metabolise and tap into the energy in the iron if it has already oxidised.

There are a number of food supplements that are designed to oxidise the iron. For many owners these are easier to use than diet tweaks. Some are also designed as nutrient supplements

two of the best that I know of are

Angels Delight by Bichon Hotel

Tear Stain Supplement by Naturvet

These types of tear stain removers are my prefered choice- There are others out there but I have not used them- Make sure that you can see the ingredient list before using anything that calls itself a natural tear stain remover.


Antibiotics/Angels Glow/Angels Eyes/Clear Tears

These work by killing the bacteria in the tears but they are not without risk. The over use of antibiotics can lead to resistance in bacteria meaning that other antibiotics used for more serious issues will not work- this can affect the health of dogs and humans. Tetracycline is the most commonly prescribed by vets but some also prescribe tylosin. Tylosin is found in Angels Eyes/Angels Glow/Clear tears

These work quickly but should only be used briefly and might affect other medications. They may also kill the good bacteria in the gut- this last point is very important- tylosin can prevent certain animals from extracting nutrients form food in the intestines- leading to death, for example horses

All antibiotics are prescription only- all OTC products containing tylosin are illegal- even if they are sold in your local pet store.


Vaseline etc

Not sure but I think this stops the stains from soaking into the hair rather than changing the relationship between the bacteria and iron.


Creams and pastes

Many of these use boric acid and acetic acid in an emollient base to clean and kill the bacteria


Home brew pastes and remedies

These are multiple, Some use antacids in paste some are hydrogen peroxide based. The latter brews worry me as if used incorrectly they could cause great harm.


Degrees of tearing and staining

Can be the result of

Teething- inflames the gums and can put pressure on the tear ducts- preventing their normal function as a recycling center.

Blocked or under developed ducts- speak to your vet

Excessive licking- look at diet and fleas, anxiety etc- try Neem shampoo

Fleas/ticks

Infection and ear infections- speak to your vet

Pollen and allergens- seasonal

Stray hairs and other irritants



Why do some dogs start staining late in life or stop staining?

No one really knows....



Now hopefully the above will help you to decide which solution suits your dog- you might find that a combination of them works for you. What works for one person might not work for another.

Please let me know if I missed anything.

Regards D
 

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Thanks for the very informative post. One of my Bichon goddogs has a lot of trouble with tear staining. She's currently on Angel's Eyes, but the more I read about that, the less happy I am.
 

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Hi MPP

I did use Angels Eyes years ago and to be fair it did work. Back in the day the only choices you had were Angels Eyes or Angels Glow.

It was only when the UK government drew a line under them and stated officially that they were, and always had been, illegal that we had to look for alternatives.

I guess that this was the nudge that made people look at the causes of dog and cat tear staining and then provided the impetus for someone to come up with a natural product.
 

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