Stupid People (Obama Dog)

[sparks19]

he's the president. doesn't matter who is reporting and whether he made an announcement about it or not... they will be scrutinized. it's the nature of the beast and I am sure they were prepared for this before he took office. I mean I don't agree with the man but he isn't BRAIN DEAD. NO president goes through his presidency without his and his family's every move being scrutinized. this shouldn't be a shock to anyone lol

 

[Lilavati]

I fear for Bo's breeder. The Washington Post said who she is and what town she lives in and the name of her kennel. After what happened to Biden's dog's breeder, that struck me as rather dangerous. I also hope that the Secret Service realizes that there are people who will try to hurt that dog . . . not just people after the President and his family, but people who will actually be doing after the dog.

No, I think the President knew it would all be scrutinized . . . it doesn't mean he can't make a point of saying that certain things are the public's business. And more power to him for it. However, there are certain groups of people who will critize everything he does . . . simply because he did it. I'm pretty such that most of Fox Noise's viewers, and Fox Noise itself, have never given a hoot about animal rescue, and certainly don't live the "buy a dog from a breeder, kill a shelter dog" ethos. But because it allows them to say something just plain mean about the President and his family, they'll say it. That's not criticism or scrutiny, its dishonest, petty, and mean. Of course, I'm sure the President knew he'd get a lot of dishonest, petty and mean scrutiny too.

As for the puppy, I wish he'd come from the Portie rescue, and not as a breeder return, but it seems he was the right dog for them, and he HAD promised the girls a dog in April. Perhaps all the discussion will encourage people to just think about their dog choices more . . . whether they get their dog from a breeder or a shelter.

 

[DogstarAcademy]

The big thing is that I think they LOOKED into Portie rescue. I'm not sure folks realize how FEW dogs come into rescue yearly from most rare breeds.

I dno't have the numbers handy, but I believe Cardi rescue nationally had less than 200 dogs (the most recent year I know statistics for was like 2006.) That's not per state. That's across the ENTIRE COUNTRY. A significant number of those dogs were elderly - usually their owners had passed away or gone into assisted living.) If you have specific needs (a REALLY bombproof temperament would be a REQUIREMENT for what the Obamas needed; kids, don't want an older dog, had a living situation percieved as less than ideal in any way, wanted a performance prospect) you could very well wait YEARS for that dog if a rescue is the only option for you.

PWDs are more popular than Cardis, but not by a whole lot. Add in the fact that the Obama's breed choice was pretty controversial within the breed itself ("Oh noes! Popularity will killz us!") and I suspect that the breed rescue was equally divided.

I suspect there will be more "PWDs" in rescue as of now. (There were 14 on Petfinder today, as opposed to 6-8 last week.) Of those, three (the only puppies that were even curly/wavy) are listed as 'PWD/Poodle crosses" found tossed over a fence as babies. The chances of those actually BEING PWDs or even partbreds are miniscule. There's a group in RI that looks very sketchy which has a whole liitter that the mom is listed as a Border collie! "We think they might be Porties because the mom's hair is wavy."There's also a Portuguese Pointer on there, a rare breed without a listing on petfinder, who is in the national breed club's rescue program.

If they'd decided on the labradoodle, rescue would have been a lot easier.

 

[noludoru]

WAIT.... it gets better.

Courtesy of the director of a "rescue" organization...

I am going to smash something if one more person calls the Obamas elitist. Seriously. Elitist? I have no words.

 

[PoodleMommy]

I am going to smash something if one more person calls the Obamas elitist. Seriously. Elitist? I have no words.

plus she totally generalized WHY people get dogs from breeders.

I mean seriously? only elitist people get dogs from breeders?

Its NOT because a purebred better fits their lifestyle.

Its NOT because you can be assurred a purebred is hypoallergenic.

Its NOT because there wasnt a rescue.

Its NOT because rescue was not an option.

Its NOT because you wanted to be more assurred of the dogs temperment because you have (at least) one small child in the house.

Its NOT because its the best for your family.

Nope its because your elitist, that makes sense!

 

[Crowsfeet]

the Shrub

..hehehe.



That is all.

 

[Lilavati]

The big thing is that I think they LOOKED into Portie rescue. I'm not sure folks realize how FEW dogs come into rescue yearly from most rare breeds.

I dno't have the numbers handy, but I believe Cardi rescue nationally had less than 200 dogs (the most recent year I know statistics for was like 2006.) That's not per state. That's across the ENTIRE COUNTRY. A significant number of those dogs were elderly - usually their owners had passed away or gone into assisted living.) If you have specific needs (a REALLY bombproof temperament would be a REQUIREMENT for what the Obamas needed; kids, don't want an older dog, had a living situation percieved as less than ideal in any way, wanted a performance prospect) you could very well wait YEARS for that dog if a rescue is the only option for you.

I think I commented on the other thread that I suspected that might well have looked at rescue and not found a dog . . . or, possibly, the rescue refused to help. I know nothng of PWD poltics. As for the Cardis . . . I KNOW how long that takes, so your point is well made. Its one thing to wish they had gotten a rescue (found the right one, decided on, say, a poodle instead which is easier to get) and another thing to judge them for doing what they did. What they did was perfectly honorable . . . I just can't help but wish that the world had been different and the right dog had been in rescue . . . because of the example it would have set. On the other hand, those little girls earned their puppy.

 

[PoodleMommy]

Yay... this story keeps getting better :lol-sign:

Cesar Milan has offered lots of "advice" for the Obamas.

And Mr.Obama says the dog will not be sleeping in bed because they want to be responsible dog owners.. .wonder who put that idea in his head.

 

[release the hounds]

I read they were all going to take turns taking the dog out because they wanted to be responsible owners and later was asked if Bo would be sleeping in a bed, and the Obama responded with "not in MY bed" Big deal, mine only get to sleep in bed when myself or my wife is gone, otherwise they have beds on the floor

 

[PoodleMommy]

I read they were all going to take turns taking the dog out because they wanted to be responsible owners and later was asked if Bo would be sleeping in a bed, and the Obama responded with "not in MY bed" Big deal, mine only get to sleep in bed when myself or my wife is gone, otherwise they have beds on the floor

Hopefully the article I read mis-quoted it... It was a Cesar Milan friendly article.

I didnt say dogs HAD to sleep in bed but to say responsible owners dont allow it is... well no words... just this

 

[release the hounds]

yeah, you never know how a news agency is going to clip and insert words to make their story. That's why I don't believe half the stuff I read

 

[Groch]

Poodle Mommy,

It looks to me from your photos that Bella and Ella could easily pass for PWDs, or perhaps Miniature PWDs (which must be even more rare and valuable!) Or perhaps, PortaPoos! JUst a quick bleach job needed for the white feet.

You should consider getting in on the action while you can. Bella and Ella could soon be eating from silver spoons (and you would be too!!!!)

JUST KIDDING....I do think it humorous that "Poodle PWD mixes" are suddenly showing up for sale.

 

[Lilavati]

Yeah, I saw Ceasar Millian giving his advice on CNN . . .as far as I'm concerned, thats the first mistake the Obama's have made.

And I probably utterly baffled several members of the staff by looking at the screen, seeing the puppy, saying something like "Isn't he cute?" and then when CM showed up saying "Ugh, Ceasar Millian!" in a disgusted voice and stalking out of the cafeteria with my coffee.

 

[ihartgonzo]

I'm kind of torn on this...

on one hand, it's obviously bull that all breeders are all bad. But, then again, the AVERAGE person doesn't know much of anything about what to even begin to look for in a good breeder. Nor do they care. Health tests, titles, working ability, temperament tests, is all a foreign language to the enormous majority. And the likelihood that such information is going to be wide-spread any time soon is pretty much hopeless.

So, in a way, I'm relieved that at least people are pushing rescue. Yes, even if it comes with a self-righteous undertone. I think it IS one step closer to eliminating greedy, abusive, neglectful, irresponsible breeders, and I honestly don't believe it will greatly affect the good breeders... because those extremists probably wouldn't have ever bought from a good breeder in the first place (being that they obviously aren't too bright or educated anyhoo).

I really haven't heard anything negative about Obama's decision to buy Bo, in the news. I do think it was a bad idea for Obama to say he was going to rescue before the breed decision was even made, however, I'm incredibly happy that they chose a PWD from a reputable breeder instead of a "Labradoodle". Even if they got a "Labradoodle" from rescue, you know "Labradoodle" breeding would be booming even more than it is already. I wish he would make a statement about how Bo's breeder is a reputable breeder, what makes a reputable breeder, and the fact that a GOOD breeder does NOT allow their dogs or their dog's descendants to become shelter statistics.

 

[PoodleMommy]

Poodle Mommy,

It looks to me from your photos that Bella and Ella could easily pass for PWDs, or perhaps Miniature PWDs (which must be even more rare and valuable!) Or perhaps, PortaPoos! JUst a quick bleach job needed for the white feet.

You should consider getting in on the action while you can. Bella and Ella could soon be eating from silver spoons (and you would be too!!!!)

JUST KIDDING....I do think it humorous that "Poodle PWD mixes" are suddenly showing up for sale.

hehe... my mini PWD's sure are adorable... too bad their spayed... :rofl1:

Yeah, I saw Ceasar Millian giving his advice on CNN . . .as far as I'm concerned, thats the first mistake the Obama's have made.

I admit I only barely read the article, It seemed like it was "unsolicited" advice... was he actually talking face to face with the Obamas?

 

[Lilavati]

hehe... my mini PWD's sure are adorable... too bad their spayed... :rofl1:



I admit I only barely read the article, It seemed like it was "unsolicited" advice... was he actually talking face to face with the Obamas?

Actually, I'm not sure. I got the impression from others that he had spoken to the President. But I just saw him talking away on CNN. . . I sure HOPE it was unsolicited . . . and I hope that CNN gets a clue.

For various reasons, all I can do is WATCH the news at work . . . I can't hear it, and they don't turn on subtitles. So all you see are the pictures and the little headline things at the bottom.