Newbie Breeder EXPECTING!

[Bailey+Ralph]

There are worse things than death. Being bred with health problems and sold into a home that wasn't properly screened where they will be bred to death themselves is one of them. Not saying this is going to happen to these individual puppies, but it's always a possibility when someone isn't properly educated and experienced.

Yes but these puppies are on thier way into this world now.
Chibree has said that she has done everything right when it comes to Whelping.
The only problem (for some) is that she is breeding from a "Pet".
So now that these particular puppies are on thier way, is it not best to try and help the OP instead of scaring her away?
Then after the anxiety of her dog in Labor, anyone with issues about how she Bred could use the PM to discuss it with her.
As it is she hasn't posted in quite some time........Either the pups are being delivered now..........or she has been scared away from somewhere that she came to for help and support.
I for one hope that it is b/c the puppies are being delivered.

 

[RedyreRottweilers]

I also just wanted to add to this..........Would you rather see those puppies dead b/c of your beliefs in the way breeding should be done?
I mean if she doesn't come back then who knows??

I have been staying off this, but I will say this:

DEATH is a risk with ANY BREEDING.

If people don't understand this beforehand, they often do afterwards.

There is ALWAYS the risk of death of the bitch, particularly in toy bitches, and there is always the risk of the death of one, or more, or all of the puppies.

If the Grim Reaper visits ChiBree at the time of the whelping of her bitch (*od forbid), it is not the fault of any poster on this forum.

It is a fact of life that death is a part of breeding animals of any sort.

 

[Bailey+Ralph]

I have been staying off this, but I will say this:

DEATH is a risk with ANY BREEDING.

If people don't understand this beforehand, they often do afterwards.

There is ALWAYS the risk of death of the bitch, particularly in toy bitches, and there is always the risk of the death of one, or more, or all of the puppies.

If the Grim Reaper visits ChiBree at the time of the whelping of her bitch (*od forbid), it is not the fault of any poster on this forum.

It is a fact of life that death is a part of breeding animals of any sort.

Red i wasn't saying that it would be anyones fault.
What i was saying is that instead of everyone jumping on her back, they could be helping her to save her Bitch and the puppies should things not seem right with her posts.
Now she isn't posting, no-one can help or advise her if you see something that doesn't seem right.

 

[Serena]

Bailey would I want something to happen to the dog or pups? Of course not but if something were to happen to them (and I honestly hope it does not) I would not feel a twinge of guilt or remorse for not giving advice.

Mach girl, the only question ignored was why she bred her pet. She was fine with telling everyone she bred her pet and was all smiles when she didn't think there was anything wrong with it, the second it was questioned from an ethical standpoint she avoided the subject.

Angel Chicken, maybe for you ethics in breeding can be brushed aside for some of us it is not that simple.

 

[Bailey+Ralph]

I give up here.
The OP came here looking for advice and is now probably wishing she hadn't.

 

[Mach1girl]

Mach girl, the only question ignored was why she bred her pet. She was fine with telling everyone she bred her pet and was all smiles when she didn't think there was anything wrong with it, the second it was questioned from an ethical standpoint she avoided the subject.

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Yes, she did, she said she wants to be a breeder, didnt she??Or am I mistaken??She stated everyone has got to start somewhere.

Besides, that is irrelevant now anyway, she doesnt have to answer, maybe she doesnt want us to know what happened.

 

[ChiBree]

Back again - not avoiding any questions, not at all. This was a PLANNED breeding. MY dogs do not run around unsupervised. Why this thread has went this way is beyond me? I feel its better I admit I'm new and ask questions rather than think I know it all and mess something up.

 

[ChiBree]

ChiBree............Your still here right?
How is she doing?

I'm here! I took a nap (tired from all the watching over her) She's fine and no pups yet!

 

[Squidbert]

I think you've done well.. and you had newbie jitters and needed reminders.. I know my mind goes blank when I'n anxious or flustered.
So whats the word? Any babies yet?

 

[Bailey+Ralph]

Glad to know that your still here and all is well

 

[Citrus007]

I just came, hows it going with them? I'm excited though I cant offer any advice because I have never bred a dog before..

 

[Mach1girl]

threads like this have a tendancy to get out of hand.


Just keep asking, we are here, been in your shoes, just 20 weeks ago, Want me to find the thread???It is informative.Anyone feel like a search?

 

[Sheka]

CONGRATS CHIBREE!! I hope and pray evreything goes well ,i dont know much about breeding but if u dont take and post ATLEAST a million pics of those pups, im gonna have to hurt u Lol JK JK JK! but still, POST PICS when u have the time of course. and give the mommy and big kiss from me

 

[ChiBree]

I think you've done well.. and you had newbie jitters and needed reminders.. I know my mind goes blank when I'n anxious or flustered.
So whats the word? Any babies yet?

No babies. I posted a couple hours ago that if nothing happens tonight we go to the Vet tomorrow. He'll decide at the point if he's going to take them. She's sleeping and the babies are stillwiggling all around!

 

[savethebulliedbreeds]

This thread is sickening. Chibree came here for help and she is getting bashed.

Summitview, she does have mentors. She is working with 3 different breeders and u saying that the pups could have health problems or go to bad homes is a risk ANY breeder takes. Sometimes the most screened applicants can fool you.

Serena, she IS NOT scrambling for last minute answers. She wants some reassurance. I know how she feels and trust me sometimes getting other peoples point of views other than the people you have been talking to throughout the pregnancy is very reassuring. As for your comments about the vet saying to wait 4 hours, lots of people trust their vets to the fullest, and feel no need to go to a forum to ask "how long should I wait until I take my dog into the vet." I understand her vet was wrong but its not her fault he gave her bad information. And especially with people that don't have as much knowledge as some of the people have on the forum, how is she supposed to know any different. If I was new and my vet told me that I would see no need to search about it on the net. She now knows that her vet is maybe not as good as she thought he was. Also, why she bred her dog is none of your business.

To the both of you (serena & summitview), the title of her post wasn't "serena and summitview, is me breeding my dog ethical in your views?" So drop it.

She originally started this post because she was confused about the temperature thing. She HAS done her research!!! Quit running her down and quit asking her questions that are none of your business! She came here to ask the questions not have you questioning her.

By the way Chibree. You have done good with working with breeders and working closely with a vet. That is exactly how it should be done. I can hardly wait until those pups are born and for sure you have to post a ton of pics.

Please don't let a few nosies keep you from asking questions. The rest of us will be here to answer them for you.

 

[Mach1girl]

This thread is sickening. Chibree came here for help and she is getting bashed.

Summitview, she does have mentors. She is working with 3 different breeders and u saying that the pups could have health problems or go to bad homes is a risk ANY breeder takes. Sometimes the most screened applicants can fool you.

Serena, she IS NOT scrambling for last minute answers. She wants some reassurance. I know how she feels and trust me sometimes getting other peoples point of views other than the people you have been talking to throughout the pregnancy is very reassuring. As for your comments about the vet saying to wait 4 hours, lots of people trust their vets to the fullest, and feel no need to go to a forum to ask "how long should I wait until I take my dog into the vet." I understand her vet was wrong but its not her fault he gave her bad information. And especially with people that don't have as much knowledge as some of the people have on the forum, how is she supposed to know any different. If I was new and my vet told me that I would see no need to search about it on the net. She now knows that her vet is maybe not as good as she thought he was. Also, why she bred her dog is none of your business.

To the both of you (serena & summitview), the title of her post wasn't "serena and summitview, is me breeding my dog ethical in your views?" So drop it.

She originally started this post because she was confused about the temperature thing. She HAS done her research!!! Quit running her down and quit asking her questions that are none of your business! She came here to ask the questions not have you questioning her.

By the way Chibree. You have done good with working with breeders and working closely with a vet. That is exactly how it should be done. I can hardly wait until those pups are born and for sure you have to post a ton of pics.

Please don't let a few nosies keep you from asking questions. The rest of us will be here to answer them for you.

And then there was light!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Amen!

 

[lakotasong]

For the record, irresponsible breeding is EVERYONE'S business, we all have to deal with the outcome and the overpopulation problem. You might not care, but plenty of us know better and do care.

 

[Citrus007]

*waits* *starts chant* Puppies, Puppies!

 

[savethebulliedbreeds]

I do care about irresponsible breeding. But she is not being irresponsible. She bred two sound AKC registered chihuahuas, is working closely with 3 breeders and a vet, she is writing up contracts and will be screening the applicants. Other than the fact that she does not show her dog, how is this any different than responsible breeders?

 

[Mach1girl]

She has not proven to be irresponsible.

She has done her homework, and just had questions regarding the temp

It is called RE ASSURANCE (say it with me) everyone needs it from time to time, and human nature should shine through and assist a helping hand. Much better then turning into a cur, and lashing out making one person feel responsible for societys problems.

Anywa, you get the picture.

Good will come from this.