New Website Launched for Dog Breeders & Dog Lovers!

[corgipower]

Puppy mills are large-scale dog breeding facilities that operate under substandard breeding conditions causing the development of chronic health problems, temperament issues, and hereditary defects in puppies. Majority of the breeders on our site are not puppy mills. They are responsible breeders. With your thinking, every dog breeder directory site that is currently on the Internet (and there are many) has only BYBs. You are overgeneralizing.

I didn't ask about puppy mills. I asked about BYBs. And you don't know my thinking. I asked you what your criteria is and I asked you to define a BYB.

 

[Dizzy]

But, what is a very reputable breeder who isn't net savie signs up and they haven't included their health testing results etc - won't they just get struck off?

 

[Dekka]

not if there is a questionaire. I think a site like this would be great if it was possible to only put up good breeders in the first place (not put them all up and try to weed out all the bad ones)

And really if you put up a site for people.. wouldn't you include some of the most important details? If you are making a website its not hard to type in text. And if you are having it made its not hard to provide them with a copy of text.

 

[Boxer100]

I don't think she asked about puppy mills (tho not all are large) She asked about byb.


and as a quick example (I looked up boxers cause that was your username)

http://www.landosboxers.com/index.htm

this site screams byb. No mention of titles, health testing, or guarantees. BUT there is lots on how to ship your boxer!! No good breeder is going to be more interested in shipping then they are on finding good homes and producing healthy correct pups.

Their rating is 2 out of 5 for a reason. You might have rated them just now but that's not the point. We added the rating and reviews to help responsible breeders rise to the top, not to promote puppy mills. We will add more measures to make sure more responsible breeders register.

 

[Dekka]

It is.. but you are relying on people doing your job for you...

The rating system might work (but if you are at all involved in the breeding world there are some serious politics and back stabbing that goes on that has nothing to do with the quality of pups these breeders produce)

 

[corgipower]

if you are at all involved in the breeding world there are some serious politics and back stabbing that goes on that has nothing to do with the quality of pups these breeders produce

^that needed to be repeated^

 

[AllieMackie]

SPEAKING OF POLITICS

The only Canadian Border Collie breeder that chose to list with you is a conformation breeder. This is bad bad bad bad bad in the BC world. Bad.

Our lines are a walking tour composed of some of the best conformation, herding, agility and obedience Border Collies in the world.

hahahahahaha

But then again, I send all people interested in border collies to the CBCA site.

 

[Boxer100]

SPEAKING OF POLITICS

The only Canadian Border Collie breeder that chose to list with you is a conformation breeder. This is bad bad bad bad bad in the BC world. Bad.

Our lines are a walking tour composed of some of the best conformation, herding, agility and obedience Border Collies in the world.

hahahahahaha

But then again, I send all people interested in border collies to the CBCA site.

The site is only a month old, there will be more breeders registering in the future. As I see, you are a breeder and you are listed on the site that you have included. You are welcome to register and showcase your kennel.

 

[Dekka]

But if you require CKC/AKC registry the CBCA breeders are not eligible.

And I am pretty sure Allie is not a breeder!

 

[corgipower]

**taps foot

*sigh*

still waiting for an answer to my questions.

 

[Boxer100]

But if you require CKC/AKC registry the CBCA breeders are not eligible.

And I am pretty sure Allie is not a breeder!

Sorry about that, I thought she was a breeder because there is a breeder on the website she mentioned with the name Alison McIntosh, which is similar to her username.

 

[noludoru]

Who are you to call all of these breeders BYBs because some of these breeders I know personally who care about their dogs and breed only when they think it is safe to do. Also, they are very active in the dog show ring. Read our terms of use: http://www.k9ring.com/Terms-Of-Use. We do not guarantee that all breeders are reputable. Not all people are angels too you know. You can find plenty of reputable breeders on our site. Stop bashing other people's sites if you have nothing constructive to say.

Tell us who they are and we will remove them. What is your definition of BYB? There are some hobby breeders listed there and we are aware of that. To call someone a BYB you have to have proof. What if you are a breeder who does not like some other breeder and just wants to ruin their reputation? We will go today through all of the listings and start deleting one by one.

I think there are some major misunderstandings here. BYB = Back Yard Breeder. BYB does not equal puppy mill. BYBs can love their dogs, love the breed, whatever, but they aren't improving the breed. Puppy mills breeds dogs in horrible conditions and sell to pet stores and brokers primarily - they treat dogs like livestock and are solely in it for the money. BYBs might love their dogs, treat them amazingly well, find good homes for them, and may or may not be in it for the money. They might even have titled or health tested dogs. But there are a lot more qualifications than treating your dogs right to actually be a breeder deserving of the title "reputable." Dekka started a good list for you.

I think a better thing to focus on, rather than what makes a person a BYB - as that can be hard to define and EVEYONE has a slightly different view - is a base set of criteria that make good breeders. For me, personally, those are:

-Health testing (hips, thyroid, elbows, eyes - whatever tests are typical for their breed of choice)
-Not breeding dogs younger than 2 years of age (3 for bitches)
-Not breeding more than two litters consecutively from one bitch and not having more than two litters a year (total - not per dog, because I find it hard to believe anyone could possibly care for more than two or so litters a year properly. Maybe some people can, but it's a good place to start in ruling out bad breeders)
-No kennels (PLENTY will disagree with me on this, which is fine, but this is just my personal list to give you some references)
-Showing, if applicable (for instance - I don't want a BC puppy whos eparents are show ring champions)
-Working the dogs, if applicable (I wouldn't want an APBT with "working" titles... I'd want their owners in jail for animal abuse)
-Sport/obedience titles if the dogs don't work
-health guarantee
-will take any dog they have bred/adopted out back (this one is very important)


I can't think of any more right now. You might want to do a search for threads with some keywords like "what is a reputable breeder" to get more ideas.

 

[shadowfacedanes]

Who are you to call all of these breeders BYBs because some of these breeders I know personally who care about their dogs and breed only when they think it is safe to do. Also, they are very active in the dog show ring. Read our terms of use: http://www.k9ring.com/Terms-Of-Use. We do not guarantee that all breeders are reputable. Not all people are angels too you know. You can find plenty of reputable breeders on our site. Stop bashing other people's sites if you have nothing constructive to say.

Let's see. Who am *I* to call a breeder a BYB?

Well, I am someone who has volunteered for years to help out the poor danes (and other breeds) who are products and victims of the very type of people you are giving exposure.

And I had something constructive to say to you in my first reply. I suggested you revise your guidelines, but now I've changed my mind. It's apparent you don't know a whole lot about the dog world in general, nor the individual breeds. Your website just smacks of another NextDayPets or those other scary websites that allow anyone to advertise with the disclaimer of "We can't check them all" and that's just well....sad.

 

[Boxer100]

Let's see. Who am *I* to call a breeder a BYB?

Well, I am someone who has volunteered for years to help out the poor danes (and other breeds) who are products and victims of the very type of people you are giving exposure.

And I had something constructive to say to you in my first reply. I suggested you revise your guidelines, but now I've changed my mind. It's apparent you don't know a whole lot about the dog world in general, nor the individual breeds. Your website just smacks of another NextDayPets or those other scary websites that allow anyone to advertise with the disclaimer of "We can't check them all" and that's just well....sad.

When you make your own site, then I will come and see how you check and whom you check. Until then, you really do not know much about the WWW.

 

[PoodleMommy]

When you make your own site, then I will come and see how you check and whom you check. Until then, you really do not know much about the WWW.

I am sure shadow and everyone else knows plenty about the WWW... it is a place where anyone can post garbage and lies... and it is also the place where Chaz exists to point out said garbage and lies.

 

[shadowfacedanes]

When you make your own site, then I will come and see how you check and whom you check. Until then, you really do not know much about the WWW.

I have my own site, dipshit. I have HAD my own site for many years now, heavily trafficked, I might add. I do not need to post breeders, as my national breed club does that for me. Breeders that must adhere to a Code of Ethics put out by the breed club. So before you tell me how to learn how to do something, make sure you know how first, newb.

 

[Boxer100]

I have my own site, dipshit. I have HAD my own site for many years now, heavily trafficked, I might add. I do not need to post breeders, as my national breed club does that for me. Breeders that must adhere to a Code of Ethics put out by the breed club. So before you tell me how to learn how to do something, make sure you know how first, newb.

Hahaha, that's just nice. Offending people and calling them dipshit is really mature of you.

 

[noludoru]

I am sure shadow and everyone else knows plenty about the WWW... it is a place where anyone can post garbage and lies... and it is also the place where Chaz exists to point out said garbage and lies.

WIN.

Boxer, several people have given you contructive replies and all we've been met wiht is rudeness and accusations of a lack of knowledge. So if you're not here just to spam the boards, it's about time to back down and apologize, or maybe take a break for a bit and come back to this thread when you can respond politely.

 

[Dekka]

web sites are easy. Data bases aren't to hard either. Something worth doing, is worth doing well.

(unless you are a byb or some www site owners)

I have had sites too..

 

[corgipower]

WIN.

Boxer, several people have given you contructive replies and all we've been met wiht is rudeness and accusations of a lack of knowledge. So if you're not here just to spam the boards, it's about time to back down and apologize, or maybe take a break for a bit and come back to this thread when you can respond politely.

And if you join in on the rest of the discussions on chaz, you can learn about BYBs and reputable breeders.