Nancy Grace has gone too far

[pancho]

I hate to post this but today a man who lives about 8 miles from me was attacked by a pit bull today. There were two pit bulls that attacked him but only one got a grip on him. He got loose and called 911. When the police and dog catcher got there one dog tried to attack again and had to be killed. Neither dog had a collar. They are trying to located the person who they think is the owner.
Several cities around here have bans on pit bulls and this will cause several more to do the same thing.
It doesn't look good for the responsible dog owners.

 

[Alexa's~Mom]

Hi, so you dont think pitts are evil? How would you like it if you saw you dog riped apart by a pitt for no freakin reson?! Yeah thats what happend to me, I took my doog to my friends house and the nighbor dog picked him up and just riped his heart out, I dont care what you think about pitts, I HATE THEM!!

hahahaha, i should introduce you to my neighbor's nephew's pit. You probably wouldn't even know she was a pit.

I really think I am the only one who has been around large so called 'dangerous' dogs, and has never had a bad experience.

Yet I've had bad experiences with little 'innocent' dogs.

Oy.

 

[DryCreek]

Proof? Did you read ALL my posts?!Unfortunately yes, and everyone else's as wellopcorn: . IN MY AREA MOST OF THE URBAN PITS COME FROM FIGHTING LINES.Are there any pedigrees to show this? Or is this just an educated guess from listening to the papers? Just because a pit is big does not mean that it doesn't have fighting in it's bloodline. I don't appreciate your comment about more untruths. Well bred APBT's average between 25 to 45 pounds. The largest I've ever seen was 54 pounds.The only proof is in a pedigree. Just because someone says its from fighting lines does not make it fact. A lot of people will say this type of thing to impress people or to sell papers.

Are you that nieve to think that dogs who are bred to be agressive towards other dogs would naturally not be agressive towards humans? Gah!I wouldn't say naive, I would say informed which, apparently, you are not. Human aggression is a totally separate issue from animal aggression. Any informed behaviorist will tell you so.

The sooner those who choose to purchase back yard pits accept the fact that they are adding to the problem, the sooner the problem will be resolved if it is even possible. I agree, these dogs are not for everyone. Only those with experience in handling and understanding animal behavior should own this breed. BYB's and puppy peddlers are a major problem and contribute to the demise of the APBT.

I don't know, a couple of these dogs look pretty big to me Clicky

That link was a joke in my eyes. How in the world does it prove a darn thing, except that the person who owned these dogs was an idiot. Trying to separate fighting dogs with a gun????Give me a break, that was no pit bull fighting ring, it was an ignorant owner who knows nothing about the safe way to keep APBT's, or to separate fighting dogs.

I can't believe the misinformation being spouted off as facts. If you want to learn the truth you must stay away from the newspaper reports and investigate websites that carry facts about the breed.

Why is it soooo hard to place the blame where it belongs. On ignorance and stupidity?

I'm not trying to start anything, but people need to learn to think for themselves and do some honest research before condemning all of a breed for the problems of a few, people that is......

 

[elegy]

I don't agree and I am not a fool, thank you. I dare say, it is a good bet that I am a considerably bit older than you are and have seen a good deal in my time on this earth. If genetics played the greatest role, than a mixed-breed dog would not be as animal aggressive as a purebred pit bull. Not true. It is, in fact, more difficult to socialize a dog that 1/2-3/4 pit than it is a pure bred pit. Why? I haven't a clue, but I have seen it numerous times and believe it is true at least most if not all the time. It would also be easy to breed out the aggressiveness if it were purely genetic. It would also mean that ALL pit bulls would be equally as aggressive. In fact, I know that not to be the case. I have fostered nearly a dozen pit bulls (about half mixed and half pures) in my day and found that the pure bred pit bulls (especially the males) who have not been abused to be very gentle and dog friendly. Females are bit more complex for what reason, I don't know.

ah, good. i love being demeaned for being "young". (i'm 28, btw, and i've worked in a professional capacity with animals for the past 9 years).

there are a kajillion different reason why x dog can be dog-aggressive, from fear to lack of socialization, to genetics, to handler-reinforcement. pit bulls (and some other breeds) have the added baggage of having been selectively bred to fight other dogs.

why on earth would genetics mean that all pit bulls would be equally aggressive? that makes no sense at all. there's this cool thing called a bell curve. not all retriever breeds are equally birdy. not all working dogs are equally drivey. not all guardian dogs are equally guardy.

and i don't think bringing mixed breeds into a conversation about pit bulls is fair. i would expect that it depends very heavily on what breeds are in the mix (ie, i would expect a pit/lab mix to act differently than a pit/mastiff mix).

 

[Bobsk8]

That link was a joke in my eyes. How in the world does it prove a darn thing, except that the person who owned these dogs was an idiot. Trying to separate fighting dogs with a gun????Give me a break, that was no pit bull fighting ring, it was an ignorant owner who knows nothing about the safe way to keep APBT's, or to separate fighting dogs.

I can't believe the misinformation being spouted off as facts. If you want to learn the truth you must stay away from the newspaper reports and investigate websites that carry facts about the breed.

Why is it soooo hard to place the blame where it belongs. On ignorance and stupidity?

I'm not trying to start anything, but people need to learn to think for themselves and do some honest research before condemning all of a breed for the problems of a few, people that is......

"Stay away from newspaper reports" and read web sites that are promoted by people defending Pit Bulls to get the truth...... You have got to be kidding...

 

[Bobsk8]

I don't agree and I am not a fool, thank you. I dare say, it is a good bet that I am a considerably bit older than you are and have seen a good deal in my time on this earth. If genetics played the greatest role, than a mixed-breed dog would not be as animal aggressive as a purebred pit bull. Not true. It is, in fact, more difficult to socialize a dog that 1/2-3/4 pit than it is a pure bred pit. Why? I haven't a clue, but I have seen it numerous times and believe it is true at least most if not all the time. It would also be easy to breed out the aggressiveness if it were purely genetic. It would also mean that ALL pit bulls would be equally as aggressive. In fact, I know that not to be the case. I have fostered nearly a dozen pit bulls (about half mixed and half pures) in my day and found that the pure bred pit bulls (especially the males) who have not been abused to be very gentle and dog friendly. Females are bit more complex for what reason, I don't know.

I personally prefer mixed-breed because they tend not to have the medical problems of pures and, IMO, are smarter and easier to train. The exception again, being the animal aggressiveness in mixed-bred pits. It does not appear to matter with what the mixture is, except possibly in the dog's strength being noticeable greater when mixed with another strong breed, i.e., rottie, dobie, etc.

If you wish to learn something from outside your own sphere, I would suggest that aside from sharing your own experiences, you listen and garner the benefit of the experiences of others and stop calling people who may not agree with you (who may KNOW better) names.

That's absurd that a Pit mix will have more D/A tendendcies than a purebred. Where did you hatch your facts from???

 

[DryCreek]

"Stay away from newspaper reports" and read web sites that are promoted by people defending Pit Bulls to get the truth...... You have got to be kidding...

Actually, no, I was not kidding

Anyone who believes that newspapers tell the truth needs a wake up call. Try places like.....

http://www.doglegislationcouncilcanada.org/home.html

http://ncrf2004.tripod.com/index.html

http://www.goodpooch.com/home.htm

There are many many sites dedicated to canine behavior that a lot of people could learn from. And I don't single out the APBT because they are the same as any other dog. Unfortunately, not all owners are the same so we end up with ill raised out of control animals that create problems for their owners and others as well.

Have I ever seen a badly raised APBT? Most definitely, and I have recommended euthanization for them. But I have recommended euthanization for many other ill raised breeds as well. When people get over the breed specific hysteria and actually concentrate on the actual cause of dog problems i.e. problem owners, we might just be able to gain some ground and work together toward a workable law about dangerous dogs in general.

 

[Bobsk8]

Actually, no, I was not kidding

Anyone who believes that newspapers tell the truth needs a wake up call. Try places like.....

http://www.doglegislationcouncilcanada.org/home.html

http://ncrf2004.tripod.com/index.html

http://www.goodpooch.com/home.htm

There are many many sites dedicated to canine behavior that a lot of people could learn from. And I don't single out the APBT because they are the same as any other dog. Unfortunately, not all owners are the same so we end up with ill raised out of control animals that create problems for their owners and others as well.

Have I ever seen a badly raised APBT? Most definitely, and I have recommended euthanization for them. But I have recommended euthanization for many other ill raised breeds as well. When people get over the breed specific hysteria and actually concentrate on the actual cause of dog problems i.e. problem owners, we might just be able to gain some ground and work together toward a workable law about dangerous dogs in general.

I think alot of the problem Pit Bull situations are brought on by the fact that some of the people that seek out Pit Bulls are not the most desirable people in the world. If you go into the inner city ghettos, you will see Pit Bulls all over the place. I have 2 friends that are on the police force in two large cities and they both are fearful when they get a call in some of these bad areas, of the dogs that live there. Let's face it, these teenage gangs and hood types are not going to go out and buy a Yorkie. These same people see that their neighbor has one or two of this breed, and they know that their neighbors dogs are scarey as can be, so that is what they want to project their own "tough" image. These same type of people couldn't care less about socializing their dog or training the dog, they just chain it up in the yard and walk it once in awhile to scare the neighbors... This is where many of the incidents involving this breed come from and that is what people read in the newspaper.

 

[chinchow]

This is where many of the incidents involving this breed come from and that is what people read in the newspaper.

But even in those situations, which for the most part you are correct about, the newspaper will twist stories as much as they can. There are a lot fewer pro Pit Bull articles than anti Pit Bull articles when someone gets "attacked" or another animal is injured. And most of those anti Pit articles clearly state that Pit Bulls are either human aggressive, cannot be around children, can't be trained, have locking jaws, etc etc. They do not know what they are talking about, because the writers are not breed specialists. They wouldn't know an APBT from a Staffy, or an American Bulldog from a Boxer, but they will do all they can to sell newspapers by printing out all the "facts" they possibly can.

 

[Bobsk8]

But even in those situations, which for the most part you are correct about, the newspaper will twist stories as much as they can. There are a lot fewer pro Pit Bull articles than anti Pit Bull articles when someone gets "attacked" or another animal is injured. And most of those anti Pit articles clearly state that Pit Bulls are either human aggressive, cannot be around children, can't be trained, have locking jaws, etc etc. They do not know what they are talking about, because the writers are not breed specialists. They wouldn't know an APBT from a Staffy, or an American Bulldog from a Boxer, but they will do all they can to sell newspapers by printing out all the "facts" they possibly can.

Some Pit Bulls are Human aggresive and many people and children have been attacked and maimed and killed by them. Even if they are not human aggresive, when they go after someone's dog, and the dog owner of the dog being attacked tries to protect his dog, he gets attacked anyway.

Any animal control officer will tell you that they have seen numerous Pit Bull attacks where the dog will not let go of it's victim, even when the dog is beaten with something. Many times, a policeman has to shoot the dog to stop the attack. There was a situation like that in Atlanta a few months ago and the cop shot the dog 3 times, before it let go of it's victim ( another dog), who died anyway. Animal control was called and identified the dog as a Pit Bull. Of course there will be people that will argue that the Animal control person doesn't know what they are talking about, the cop shot the dog because the cop hates Pit Bulls, the dog that got attacked prevoked the attack, yada.. yada.. yada... And last but not least, the newspaper and TV reporter that reported the story made 1/2 of it up and it was really a Chihauhau not a Pit Bull..... It's the old story, if you don't like the message, shoot the messenger.......

 

[chinchow]

And you know, these same people will also argue that Pit Bulls were specifically bred to attack. Which is FAR from the truth. Delve into their history, and you'll know. But by just going off of the media, you aren't doing anything to help anyone.

But go ahead and believe as you will. When reality hits, and more breeds start going down the same road, maybe people will finally open their eyes. The media is not the fountain of all that is true good and holy, and people need to realize that too. The media is out for money, what sells is what's true to them, no matter who they hurt in the process.

 

[adoptashelterpettoday]

Bob-again I really dont think you should be speaking. Your Smokey REALLY looks like a pit mix to me. And I highly doubt when you realize that she is that you will want her dead just because of her breed. I dug up 20 million stories about non pit bull attacks and posted them on this thread including one locally about a trained police dog who bit it's handler for no apperant reason. Pits make great dogs.

 

[Amstaffer]

It's the old story, if you don't like the message, shoot the messenger.......

An even older and sad story....if you don't like the message, kill the true victim and forgive the humans guilt........

 

[elegy]

Some Pit Bulls are Human aggresive and many people and children have been attacked and maimed and killed by them.

yup, sadly, are unsound pit bulls out there. although i'd have a hard time saying "many" people because, really, the number of people seriously injured by dogs is very small. the population of the us is (a la us census bureau) 300,477,800. the average number of dog bite fatalities in the us is like 25/year. that gives you a 1:12,019,112 chance of being killed by a dog.

it's the result of careless breeding, overbreeding, and stupidity. i've met a small number of pit bulls whom i felt should be euthanized (one who was downright scary from 9 weeks on, grew up to be a very scary dog, and was eventually euthanized before he was a year old due to a spinal deformity. he wouldn't have lived that long if he had been mine. i have never met a dog as scary as that one.) and a number of other bully breed dogs that i would never be comfortable owning (an olde english bulldogge we see at work is a bite waiting to happen. he's horribly fearful and defensive, and he's owned by someone extremely clueless.) but i've met a lot of scary dogs of other breeds as well. human aggression is not just a pit bull problem.

then, on the other side of the coin, is this pit bull who would not attack. i wonder what that says about our society that a dog who would not attack was deemed newsworthy.

 

[Amstaffer]

Bob-again I really dont think you should be speaking. Your Smokey REALLY looks like a pit mix to me.

:yikes:

Wouldn't that be ironic when the Animal Control officer stopped by to collect all the pit bulls............

 

[chinchow]

Elegy, VERY interesting link you posted. I hadn't heard about that one. Hope that woman is stripped of her animal-owning rights, personally.

 

[adoptashelterpettoday]

These are all GSDxPit bulls I found on Dogster.

http://www.dogster.com/pet_page.php?i=119095 -looks a lot like Smokey

http://www.dogster.com/pet_page.php?i=88548 -looks somewhat like Smokey

http://www.dogster.com/pet_page.php?i=247168 -also looks like Smokey in the adult pictures

http://www.dogster.com/pet_page.php?i=125769 -first picture looks like your dog

http://www.dogster.com/pet_page.php?i=222319

http://www.dogster.com/pet_page.php?i=242013

http://www.dogster.com/pet_page.php?i=478

http://www.dogster.com/pet_page.php?i=437941

http://www.dogster.com/pet_page.php?i=198568 -could be smokey's twin

http://www.dogster.com/pet_page.php?i=197411

http://www.dogster.com/pet_page.php?i=323258

http://www.dogster.com/pet_page.php?i=55306 -smokey's other twin

http://www.dogster.com/pet_page.php?i=88331

I think you get the point? If not i can look some more up

 

[casablanca1]

Jesus, could you leave the guy alone about his dog's breed makeup? Apart from the mindboggling boringness of it as a debate point, it's beside the point. You might find it personally annoying that a guy who owns a dog that could be part pit bull holds his opinions, but it doesn't affect his arguments one way or the other. An argument being an opinion supported by facts and experience, not speculation what his dog's great-grandmother might have been.

hahahaha, i should introduce you to my neighbor's nephew's pit.

I may have missed something here, but it looks like you're laughing at a person whose dog was killed in front of her. That's foul.

 

[chinchow]

An argument being an opinion supported by facts and experience, not speculation what his dog's great-grandmother might have been.

Where are the facts? Where's the experience?
Come back when there's proof of these "facts".
Then maybe you can talk about them.
So far it's just PURELY opinion, based on media.
Opinions are far from facts.


Continue..opcorn:

 

[casablanca1]

Where are the facts? Where's the experience?
Come back when there's proof of these "facts". Then maybe you can talk about them. So far it's just PURELY opinion, based on media.
Opinions are far from facts. Continue..opcorn:

I wasn't talking to you. As I recall, you weren't the one doing the bit about this guy's dog being a pit bull mix. Your rendition of the "your opinion differs from mine, thus it must wrong and probably based on the media (ooooh, scary media); my opinions are based on the TRUTH (as I read it online and have firsthand experience of a really cool pit bull who gives kisses) so shut up and don't even come back until you're willing to agree with me" was very good though, very classic and yet very young, what with the shouting PURELY and the big Bart Simpson 'tude of opcorn: