Just wondering Labradoodle vs Purebreeds so to speak?

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What's the story with these new breeds, or is it just a mutt?
by Jane Anderson​

You've just heard of a groovy new breed. It's non-shedding, medium sized, great with children, and highly intelligent. And it has no health problems! It's been created by a very thoughtful breeder who had your best intentions at heart!
Wow, you've got it made! The perfect dog! oh, and when it might be twice the price of a pedigree dog, won't your neighbours be envious!

Well if you fell for this, you're about to be taken for a ride.


Here are some cross-breed truths:
There is no such thing as a "new" breed. Everything has been tried before, and invariably with pretty average results.
When you mix breeds, it's extremely unlikely you'll get a "non-shedding, hypo-allergenic breed"
There is absolutely no proof that a mixed breed is healthier than a pedigree dog.
Mixed breed dogs cannot be shown.
There is such a variability in offspring, that no breeder of mutts can guarantee why your pup will look like as an adult
No breeder of mutts can offer a real guarantee for a "healthy, intelligent, great with children" mutt pup.
Invariably, the parents of the mutt puppy are poor in quality. You will NEVER produce lovely pups from average (or worse) parents, regardless of breed or mixed breed)
In fact, you might want to join our new email list with the aim to learn more about cross breeds, with particular emphasis to temperament, coat type, genetics, and health. Click here.

So before you rush out and buy that cute little labradoodle, that golden-doodle, or labrashitz, keep in mind, you're about to be ripped off.

And for those of you who are niaive enough to IMPORT mutts such as labradoodles, and other such multi-doodle mutts, you are doing yourself and dogs a great injustice. If you feel the need for a mutt, please go to your local dog shelter, and rescue a pup from there.
So mutt breeders make me angry? Well, it's very disappointing to see people being ripped off when they could get a well bred pure bred dog for a cheaper price.

However, there are people out there who are willing to pay more for a cross breed, then they are a good pure bred dog. Sometimes they justify it because they may have read an article where some "celebrity" has one, so they need to have one. Let me tell you straight,if I had a dollar for every person who contacted me about their fancy cross breed that turned out to not have the characteristics they were told it would, I'd be a wealthy woman. Then there are the very angry people who will continue to justify their decision by telling me their dog "hardly sheds", or is "nearly hypo-allergenic". hmmmm.... too bad it doesn't though, like you were promised by the breeder.

Go and talk to a few groomers, talk to a few vets, and visit a few shelters before you try one of the cross breeds. You'll be sadly disappointed at the terrible stories you'll hear that will put it quickly into perspective. You'll see "fancy" cross breeds dumped at alarming rates, and you'll certainly want to know why.

And if you think that because the cross breed stock is imported from Australia, it must be good - let me tell you straight - I live in Australia, and amongst the knowing dog community, the cross breeds sold at ridiculous prices are seen as a disgrace. In fact, one of the so called "big names" in labradoodles has already tried to acquire my own pure bred dogs to mix with her own. Funny isn't it that the "bad" pure bred genes that cross breeders are trying to avoid and so quickly sought after by them. Goodness knows how those purebred genes magically fix themselves when the dogs are bred to another breed, with its own set of genes.

Unless cross breeders are really genetic scientists who are doing genetic modification, all you'll end up with in the mixed breed is a mix of a lot of things. This is why the F2, and F3 generations are seen as such disasters.


Feel free to email me. [email protected]
 

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dogs more expensive than purebreds...charging more than purebreds.
This is the only problem I have with the doodle vs. purebred thing. I don't think it's right to say that because they aren't "purebred" their not worth as much money. I understand that the reason so much money is being charged is because that's the animals sole purpose. But to me, any good dog, can cost any amount of money. My girl was an accident, a mutt, a heinz 57 and I would pay just as much for her than any purebred animal in the world.

Let's take away the term 'designer dog" and just use mutt. I don't think mutts are LESS valuable than purebred animals. :)
 

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jenn- i realize this. it all goes back to the fact that all breeds started out as a mix between two or more breeds waaaay back in the day. i guess what i'm asking is how can doodles be identified as a "breed" when they aren't meeting the set standards in litters and aren't recognized by nationally known and recognized kennel clubs. aren't doodle breeders (legit ones) trying to get them passed and accepted as a breed so they WILL be recognized? if so, aren't they supposed to meet their own set standards to do it?
There is an Aus standard that many american breeders have adopted (the good ones) and there are alot of dogs that are F5, F6 that are breeding true. It's a process, they are trying to breed to a standard wich is set up. It is in the early stages not all are going to breed true yet, but most are
 
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this link lists what kennels, associations and clubs either accept mixes or let mixes compete in events: http://www.dogplay.com/GettingDog/mixed.html#clubs

i think the one Roxy's talking about is NAMBR (north american mixed breed registry) *let me know if i'm wrong roxy, i just couldn't find anything with the name you listed* they have events in obedience, companion, utility, tracking, flyball and agility. the also accept registered purebreds and non registered purebreds. this way all dogs, regardless of mix or not, can show off their skills. they don't need a standard because it's not a "show".
 

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^Perhaps.lol. NAMBR (I just came up with my own words for the abbrev. LOL)... There are the same titles so your doodle could get a CD title or get his CH etc. Same rules, in a CKC or AKC handbook there are rules and standards for shows asides from the obvious, that they have to be purebred and registered.
 
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JennSLK said:
There is an Aus standard that many american breeders have adopted (the good ones) and there are alot of dogs that are F5, F6 that are breeding true. It's a process, they are trying to breed to a standard wich is set up. It is in the early stages not all are going to breed true yet, but most are
i have read the standards (they were posted earlier) and i know that part of becoming a "recognized breed" is to have and conform to a standard. so they are partially there. i still agree with the other posters about not needing any more "breeds" and that there are other "hypoallergenic/low shed" breeds already. plus it's ridiculous to charge that much for a dog (purebred or not). i can't see a breeder charging that much for any dog without a very, very good reason. it seems these doodles are being bred for money still.

either way, this debate could go on forever and it would never have any effect on the OP or them buying/not buying a doodle. if they want a doodle they'll get one...if they want a purebred they'll get one. if they think they've done enough research, and believe this 'breeder' is good because they SAY their generations can be traced back to rutland manor, and believe the dog will be hypoallergenic even though it hasn't been tested and are willing to spend that much money on something that's not a "sure thing" for her and her son's allergies...that's up to them. i just hope the dog gets a good home if things don't work out.
 

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I think this is a great note to end this thread on. If anything more needs to be said, take it to PM's.
 
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^Perhaps.lol. NAMBR (I just came up with my own words for the abbrev. LOL)... There are the same titles so your doodle could get a CD title or get his CH etc. Same rules, in a CKC or AKC handbook there are rules and standards for shows asides from the obvious, that they have to be purebred and registered.
The dogs in this organization are not shown. They can complete in
obedience and tracking trials only.
 
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Ok, i can't answer on the Doodle thing b/c i hadn't even heard of them before i found this site.
I would like to know though, trying to put this the right way so that i don't get hounded...............
Ok, you say that shelters have enough dogs, mutts and purebreds.......... and you blame BYB for this..................
Why doesn't anyone ever think that the owner of these dogs is to blame also??
If someone could go all out to get a great Purebred dog from a reputable breeder, and then beat the s*** out of it every night b/c they have had a good drink.

I don't condone BYB but it also comes down to the person that bought the dog.
 

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I agree with Zoom... this is going no where. To the OP, welcome and sorry that your first post wasn't a pleasant one. I'm sure you will love your pup to be. Australian breeding ( from dedicated breeders ) are now into several generations.... what we here don't like is the 1st time breeder of a poodle and a Lab or Golden , and the prices they can rake in because of the designer phase. To me, there are Doodles and there are " doodles" ...buyers beware.
 

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People that breed mutts need to get a real job...or a real hobby....or both

these BYBs have way too much time on their hands, way too little information and education on dogs and breeding under their sleeve, and a tiny little greedy devil on their right shoulder...
 

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Still haven't seen the answer to this. But now I'm off to work
If you've read all my posts you would see that I did answer it, we've taken our son around the breeders dogs and the pups from the last litter. He had no problem at all.
 

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It seems like the OP is wondering why people don't have the same problem when people post that they've just bought a purebred puppy. The vast majority of purebred puppies are not bred by reputable breeders. Most are bred entirely as a money making proposition. I guess, if the question is going to come up at all, why don't posters ask people who have just purchased a purebred pup why they didn't try to find one at the shelter. There are many, many purebred dogs in the shelter. Our shelter will let you put your name down for a certain breed and get a call when that breed comes in. They will not, however, give you a call when a certain size dog comes in. That was one the important criteria for me. I needed a certain size. I did end up getting my dog from a shelter, but it took many months of searching to find the one that fit my needs. Anyway, in reading this thread, it seemed to me that the OP was wondering why people who purchase any dog, pure or mix, are scrutinized since the majority of purchases are from people trying to make money on their puppies.
Exactly what I mean thanks mjb you summed it up great for me
 

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Doodle... you say these dogs run 18k to 30k... Is this what you are actually paying for yours?... I really think that this breeder is making money off of you ALOT of money...I understand that they need to charge a great sum of money in order to ensure that the dog is healthy and well cared for but 18k to 30k seems like way tooooo much money.

When you said you were paying a lot I was assuming 1,000 or there abouts.

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I think she was saying that the 18k to 30k was for one with full breeding rights...
 

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I can't remember if I asked this before but are labradoodles bred to labradoodles? Or is it always a lab+poodle?
 

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Saje- From what I understand when you breed a lab and a poodle together that is when you get the shedding problems, etc. Then they breed labradoodle to labradoodle and they are called a 1st generation, then a 2nd generation, and so on and so forth.

Could someone please varify if this is correct?
 
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