in the continued search for a dog trainer...

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Hi everyone. I am going to loose my mind quickly if i do not get help with my little monsters. In my search for a dog trainer to help with Muttley (and now Harvey's) dog aggression I have run across everything from shock treatment trainers to people that continually tell me I need to assert my dominance. I'm 5'2" and 115 pounds. If I raise my voice I will loose it for at least a day and I'm sick of people telling me to be pack leader-what does that mean anyways?

Well, to try and get to the point I stumbled across this guys website and I really liked it. I would love to get someone else's opinion on it though as my knowledge of dog training is nil.

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Site doesn't say much. But I did gather that hes promoting postive reinforcement and clicker training. A good step in the right direction! I don't see a problem. :)
 

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Well I love clicker training and hopefully the fact that he focuses on that means he avoids severe punishments like shocking, choke chains, prongs etc. I would certainly check him out!! Hopefully he can help you.

All those dominance methods or flawed, they focus on wolf behavior and make you pretend your dog and you are part of a wolf pack when in truth neither of you are wolves (and you are not even a dog) and you most certainly cannot impersonate the behavior of one in a proper manner. These dominance methods also fail to address the actual problem (the reason behind the dog's behavior) and simply focus on what the dog thinks about you. These methods require that you scare, punish and intimidate you dogs until they are weary enough of what you might do to them that they stop behaving in ways they think you might attack them for (which may end up giving you a dog who does absolutely nothing but lay there in your presence because he's afraid any sort of activity will get him punished). In the end the dogs feeling about what he was doing (the bad behavior) have not changed. He still really desires to do it but is too afraid to because you might hurt him.

The thing is these dominance trainers (like Cesar Millan) don't recognize that they are actually hurting and scaring the dog. They think they are teaching the dog who is the leader like dogs would do and that the dogs are not scared or anything. They simply don't understand dog body language and think that a slinking, cowering, ears back, rapidly panting dog is calm and well behaved not scared out of his mind (but they are wrong, these dogs are a mess mentally whenever they are asked to do something or are being trained). When they see comfortable dogs with ears ups, tail up, walking tall, they punish and punish because they think the dog is "dominant" when in truth he is just happy.

So ignore anyone who tells you to be alpha or be dominant or who says your dog is dominant or needs to submit to you. It's a bunch of bull poopy. Focus on the behavior of your dog and the motivation behind the behavior, not the theoretical vision people have decided dogs have for their owners.

Anyways go with the clicker trainer or at least ask to see him work with a dog first to judge whether or not you are comfortable with his methods. Keep us updated on your dogs' progress!
 

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OMG GARY WILKES!! I can't believe you could take private lessons from GARY WILKES, I didn't even know that he taught classes.

Ok, the back story: Ken Ramierez, director of training at Chicago's Shedd Aquarium and speaker at Clicker Expo (and I think he's on the board of directors for CPDT) wrote a book on animal behavior. It's VERY long and VERY expensive, and we were all thrilled when our boss let us buy a copy at work. Ken had some really interesting articles about innovate training techniques, but, though he's very knowledgable about DOG training, most of his articles in the book were specific to aquatic animals. We were flipping through and almost exclusively, the articles we found on dog training were by Gary Wilkes. Excellent articles, too.

Just doing a Google search right now, I found out that Gary Wilkes INVENTED the CLICKER. That's right. Karen Pryor introduced him to the idea of a bridge, and he put the little metal piece in the plastic box, and voila! the clicker was born.

*swoons*

Please give us DETAILS about how your lessons go!
 
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ugh...well so far I am waiting for him to call! I feel like a giddy high school girl waiting by the phone...
 

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The problem with finding a trainer based on on-line opinions, is there are many who critique and few who offer concrete solutions at the end of their rants.

I like Gary and find him to be very logical, balanced, and results based. But he is often attacked by the "positive purists" because he does not belong to their club.

Do some reading up on him, particularly about his use of a towel to "bop" a dog for disobedience.

In the end, do your research and look for someone who has a dog who's behavior proves the end result over the emotional propaganda of any extremist camp.

If your looking to please everyone, you and your dog will be the ones who suffer in a mire of confusion and doubt.

I know this is hard. Good luck and don't give up!

:)
 

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I like Gary and find him to be very logical, balanced, and results based. But he is often attacked by the "positive purists" because he does not belong to their club.

Do some reading up on him, particularly about his use of a towel to "bop" a dog for disobedience.
NOBODY here has attacked Gary for anything. In fact, we've been nothing but extremely supportive about her choice of trainers here. Why do you feel that you have to always come in and stir up trouble??
 

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