If Martin Richling and Ceaser Milan don't know how to train dogs...

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How come my questions are not being answered? ARE DOGS MORE IMPORTANT TO YOU THAN CHILDREN Dr2little?
 

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I would still like to see a cogent new testament argument that says it's good to use physical punishment on anyone or anything for minor transgressions (as opposed to murder- a major transgression that Paul assures us can be pusished by death).

Children are far more precious than dogs, but neither requires corporal punishment. You show me where Jesus advocates hitting children or dogs and then I will believe you are in the right.

You are the one who originally claimed that God wanted you to use a stave on your dog, not me.
 

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I am STILL ASTOUNDED by the use of 1 Corinthians 13, a passage commonly used at WEDDINGS between people, to JUSTIFY the disregarding of many scriptures regarding physically disciplining children. Just as I said, you folks WORSHIP your dogs as your idols. Phrases like....."slave to the dog"......Charlie's mommy???
When did any of you BIRTH a dog?

It isn't disregarding anything. That verse tells us how to love as Christians. Love isn't reserved for married people, Christian love is our calling no matter what else we do in life.

I noticed that you also ignored Galatians 5. In that passage we learn that if we want to live according to the old laws we will be accountable for every one of them and Christ will be of no use to us.

If you choose to live your life according to the OT that is what will be used against you in judgment. I accept Christ as my redemption, therefore I don't need legalistic excuses for cruelty that ignore the gift and sacrifice of Christ. As a Christian I follow Christ. Is that a problem for you? I'll not be foolish enough to throw away the sacrifice of Christ, I'll accept it and the salvation that goes with it.
 

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Sorry Dr2little, I don't mean to disrespect our forum, but I am fascinated by the concept of a Christian argument for brutal dog training.
 

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I can't believe my thread has gotten to 27 pages... it started with 2 simple observations, and now its gone religious.

Kodaz, of course we worship our dogs.. we LOVE them!!!!
 

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Again, I do follow ALL the Bible. Are you telling me that the dozens of verses in the book of Proverbs regarding CHILDREN being physically corrected are not applicable today? Do you know why there is not any NEW testament verses on this? Because GOD ALREADY told us what to do in Proverbs FOR ALL AGES. Just like the first verse in the Bible where he tells us He created the heaven and the earth. True IN ALL AGES. Back to dogs...
If children are to be physically chastened with a rod, why cannot DOGS be corrected this way?
 
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My point is that IF GOD COMMANDS FATHERS TO PHYSICALLY USE A ROD ON THEIR CHILDREN, then what makes DOGS exempt from this treatment? Are dogs better than humans? And drmom777, you were right: you have UNsuccessfully tried to follow my argument.
Maybe not everyone has the same religion.
 

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How about you start another thread in a more appropriate section if you want to start a religious debate. Even better, I'm sure there is a forum out there that's perfect for this kind of nonsense.....:rolleyes:

I apologize. Your request came in while I was writing my post.
 

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If children are to be physically chastened with a rod, why cannot DOGS be corrected this way?
Children shouldn't be spanked and neither should dogs. Its wrong to beat children, its wrong to beat dogs.. very simple.

I guess you see no harm in spanking children, so I guess you would spank a dog too.. HOW CRUEL ARE YOU! :mad:
 

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I still dispute your contention that Jesus wants you to hit your child. Once again, I cannot follow your argument in the bible. That is not because I am stupid, rather it is because your argument does not hang together.
 

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Why do not the rest of you admit that you WORSHIP your dogs? Your ignoring of scripture's methods of discipline....your desire to then kill a human being (Mr. Richling)....and your misuse of the few passages you know all point to this.
 

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Hey Happyhound...
WOSHIP does not entail the killing of what is worshipped? And Emmalee, you say children should not be spanked. God says they should be in his Bible. Who is correct? You.........or the Bible?
 

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Folks..that is what I am driving at. Emmalee is TOTALLY HONEST; unlike the rest of you. She admits that she is worshipping her dogs. That will be then all worked out at the Great White Throne JUDGMENT between her and the Lord. Thank you EMMALEE for being so honest...the others cannot say what you said.
 

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Why do you people elevate the dog ABOVE human beings?
Are not children MORE precious to the Lord than DOGS?

Just as I thought...
You people are WOSHIPPING your dogs to the point of sinful idolatry.
Dogs are dogs in the scriptures. You cannot find one positive comment about dogs in the scriptures. Yet I can find MANY positive comments regarding children. That is why it was commonly understood that STAVES were used on dogs during old testament times. AND NOTHING HAS CHANGED THAT TRUTH in the new testament.
My point is that IF GOD COMMANDS FATHERS TO PHYSICALLY USE A ROD ON THEIR CHILDREN, then what makes DOGS exempt from this treatment? Are dogs better than humans? And drmom777, you were right: you have UNsuccessfully tried to follow my argument.

How come my questions are not being answered? ARE DOGS MORE IMPORTANT TO YOU THAN CHILDREN Dr2little?
Wow, you've got a lot of nerve. I don't know what form of religion you claim to follow, but around these parts, people don't abuse their children, nor their dogs as there is NO NEED.

You can use God's word however you'd like and you can twist it around to make it mean whatever you'd like, but GOD certainly wouldn't want ANY of his creatures to live a life of abuse.

If you'd like to continue this "debate" or whatever you'd like to call it, you can take it to the Fire Hydrant, because this is a training forum in which we discuss training issues, not God's word and His supposed want for His People to abuse their children and dogs. You have been told twice now, so take this as your third and final warning, TAKE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE.
 
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