How long does potty training take?

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I have a 2-3 year old Bichon rescue that I've had for about 3 weeks. She seems to have the general idea of going outside, but lately has had frequent accidents. I've started crate training her, and to date she has had not one single accident in the crate, so I guess its working.

But she HATES being in the crate, and I don't enjoy putting her there either, so I'm wondering how long I have to drag this torture out before she is reliable? :confused:

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Forgive me if I go off on a slightly different tangent than the answer you expect, but being crated doesn't have to be torture for the dog. :)

First of all, be positive about the crate. Dogs easily pick up on human emotions and know if you think something is good or bad, and recognize when you are insecure about things. Change your attitude about the crate. Don't think of it as a temporary torture device your dog has to endure to accomplish something (here: not having accidents in the house). Think of it as just another dog bed that she can learn to enjoy, her own little room she can retreat to when she feels like it. Later on this can come in extremely handy, for example if you ever want to take her along when travelling, or if she has to stay at a vet's office for some reason. Would you rather have your dog think of a crate as a nice, comfy place to take a nap, or be stressed out about having to be confined?

There are many things you can do to make the crate a more enjoyable place, such as for example
* feeding all meals inside (first with the door open, later on closed),
* giving an extra-special treat every time the dog is crated ("go to bed" was one of my dog's favorite commands when he was still crated routinely overnight, as it meant a piece of hot dog as a good night snack every time),
* offering something to distract the dog, like a bully stick or stuffed kong toy, which you only give during crate time.

Some dogs need a little more work, and for them some "reverse psychology" tricks can help - such as putting a really yummy treat or a favorite toy inside and closing the crate door. Make sure the dog knows that the item is in there. Let her scratch and try to get to it for a little while, just until a bit of frustration has built up. Then open the door and let the dog in and close it again right away.

It's also important to not force dogs who aren't accustomed to a crate to spend fairly long periods in it right away. Of course any dog who isn't used to confinement (for whatever reason) will hate being put in a crate when everything surrounding it has a negative connotation - "i'm being confined", "i'm separated from my people", "i feel lonely", "each time i'm put in the crate all the fun ends", and so on.

Once your dog is reliable in the house, there is no immediate need to still use the crate, but it's still a good iea to keep the dog used to it. I stopped crating my dog overnight with the door closed when he was 18 months old, but there are still many situations when it comes in handy. For example Quigley knows that whenever his soft-sided folding crate comes out, something fun is going to happen - we are going on a road trip, or to a dog event, or camping etc., but most importantly he gets to go too! :)
 

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Great advice from Mordy as usual:) . There really is no easy answer to that question. Every dog is an individual. I had one dog who got it in 2 weeks (adult rescue). I had another (adult rescue)who it took much longer (about 2 months) but when he got it, he GOT it, no looking back. Then there is my newest pup who is now 17 months old who has been reliable for about 2 months now. You will have to play it by ear. Don't allow her to make any mistakes (no unsupervised time out of her crate) The less mistakes she makes, the quicker she will learn. Once she is reliable in the crate, try leaving the crate open in a Small area. Once she is reliable in that area, expand it larger. Do this in 1-2 week intervals. If she makes a mistake go back to the smaller area. THis is how i have trained all the dogs I have owned and it has worked well for me. Others may have other ideas. Good luck ! and remember consistency is the key! :)
 
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Thanks for the advice Mordy. I already do feed her in the crate, and give treats there. I may start only giving the Kong while she is in there. As for not forcing her in there...that conflicts with the never leave her unsupervised principle, so I don't think that is possible.

Shepluvr, I live in an apartment, and with the layout I don't see how I can progressively give her more room, without shutting her away from the other dog, which she wouldn't like either. So I don't think that is possible either in our situation. Even so, I do think it is a good idea. As a follow up question, how do you know its time to give her "another chance"?
 

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Is it possible to use babygates? I have always lived in an apartment and have been lucky enough to be able to use a system of gates. When they are good Usually 2 weeks without a mistake I will give them a little more room.
 
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Is it possible to use babygates? I have always lived in an apartment and have been lucky enough to be able to use a system of gates. When they are good Usually 2 weeks without a mistake I will give them a little more room.
actually that might be possible. I will give that a try. Thanks!

How long did the entire process take?
 

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Baby gates would be great, or also an exercise pen - you can use it in many different configurations.

A for "giving another chance" - do you mean when to try again to go outside? When I housetrain dogs and they don't "go" first try, i keep a 15-20 minute schedule. With an adult dog you could safely do 30-40 minutes.
 

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Crate training is great.... This is just my advice and no one has to agree...

Crate training should be a "safe"' place for your dog, your dog should have a happy beginning and happy ending when entering the crate and coming out of it (for those dogs who hate it). I would not feed my dog in the crate. That is a "special" area. Yes, I would put down a comfortable resting area, a few treats and toys. Even a kong with frozen chicken broth or p.b.

There can be many factors on why your dog may hate the crate. Is he/she in there too long? Is the crate big enough for him/her? If the answers to these questions are positive, then maybe try a radio or t.v., and have the crate facing that.

Than again, your dog may hate it because of sep. anxiety, which is a whole other subject to get into. I am not there to see it, so I can only write about what I read from you.

I wish you the best of luck..talk to a vet. and have a good trainer come to your home for a comp. visit. They may see certain triggers that you don't.
Take care,
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Mordy said:
Baby gates would be great, or also an exercise pen - you can use it in many different configurations.

A for "giving another chance" - do you mean when to try again to go outside? When I housetrain dogs and they don't "go" first try, i keep a 15-20 minute schedule. With an adult dog you could safely do 30-40 minutes.
Actually by "giving another chance" I mean giving her free reign in the house again.
 
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Crate training is great.... This is just my advice and no one has to agree...

Crate training should be a "safe"' place for your dog, your dog should have a happy beginning and happy ending when entering the crate and coming out of it (for those dogs who hate it). I would not feed my dog in the crate. That is a "special" area. Yes, I would put down a comfortable resting area, a few treats and toys. Even a kong with frozen chicken broth or p.b.

There can be many factors on why your dog may hate the crate. Is he/she in there too long? Is the crate big enough for him/her? If the answers to these questions are positive, then maybe try a radio or t.v., and have the crate facing that.

Than again, your dog may hate it because of sep. anxiety, which is a whole other subject to get into. I am not there to see it, so I can only write about what I read from you.

I wish you the best of luck..talk to a vet. and have a good trainer come to your home for a comp. visit. They may see certain triggers that you don't.
Take care,
Amy

She's getting a bit better at the crate. I'm not really sure why she doesn't like it. I've had her for about a month now, and she's always been careful about going all the way in. Although now I've put down a towel to make it more comfortable and she will go in now and lay down.

The problem is I have to leave her in there for up to 6 or 7 hours sometimes. Which is why I'm anxious to get this all over with as soon as possible.
 

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She's getting a bit better at the crate. I'm not really sure why she doesn't like it. I've had her for about a month now, and she's always been careful about going all the way in. Although now I've put down a towel to make it more comfortable and she will go in now and lay down.

The problem is I have to leave her in there for up to 6 or 7 hours sometimes. Which is why I'm anxious to get this all over with as soon as possible.
BOOM, you just solved your own problem...6-7 hours is WAY too long. See if you can get a friend, neighbor, pet sitter to come in between during the day. The pup/dog is getting anxious like anyone would in a crate that long. Look at it from his/her eyes.... Having someone come in mid-day might solve all your problems.

I am a trainer, so I am so glad you spoke honestly...Most likely this problem wont last forever, so get someone to get in there during the day.....she will most likely grow out of it. Remember, they are pups until at least 2 years old.

I wish you the best of luck and hope it all works out.
Amy
 
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BOOM, you just solved your own problem...6-7 hours is WAY too long. See if you can get a friend, neighbor, pet sitter to come in between during the day. The pup/dog is getting anxious like anyone would in a crate that long. Look at it from his/her eyes.... Having someone come in mid-day might solve all your problems. I wish you the best of luck and hope it all works out.
Amy
I do come home for lunch to walk her. But after lunch until I get home may be 5 hours or more. There is no one I can ask to come during mid-afternoon. :confused:
 

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Well, I think we (you) found the problem. Can you afford a pet sitter to come by daily or even every other day? I promise you, you will see a difference.... That will make her wonder when/if someone is coming and it's play time....

Also, again, is the cage big enough?

If you are willing for a sitter, check out www.petsit.com and type in your zip code. Then call that person listed... or persons... again, it will cost you about $15.00 more or less per visit. But you will be better off in the end, and it WON'T last forever. You and your pup just have to get over this hill, then all should be well.

I wish you the best of luck, AMY
 

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Actually by "giving another chance" I mean giving her free reign in the house again.
You should not give her free reign of your house until she has earned it. Do it slowly one area at a time and you will be successful. When you are home and she is with you WATCHING her, after she has gone potty outside, you can let her go in the other areas of the apt. Don't leave her alone to wander on her own. The more mistakes she makes, the more she thinks its ok to go in the house. I know you are anxious, but it will be worth it in the long run. Good luck!
 

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I don't think 5-6 hours in the crate while you're at work is a big deal. Dogs mostly sleep in that time anyway. How often do you crate her apart from that?

I would not give her free run of the house unless she is housetrained and you can keep an eye on her.
 

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You got good advice from Mordy and the others. I agree that 5 or 6 hours isn't unheard of. But, if your dog gets a good walk/run before, gets tired out, it will be a lot easier on her.

I wouldn't give her free rein until she is reliable. Like it was said, if she goes in the house, that will be reinforced. Accidents have to be prevented. And that goes for any inappropriate chewing or getting into things.

Good luck and just keep on associating the crate with a fun time....neat toys, treats and happy talk when you put her in there....never use as punishment and she should learn to like it fine.
 

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