GSD color question

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What's the story on "fawn"? Theoretically it could happen, as there is a dilution of black resulting in blue and two blues could produce the double dilution that typically results in fawn in other breeds.

Are there any pictures? Has anyone ever met one?
 

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Er, never seen one. You mean blues in GSD? They're breeding those these days? Or are you just bringing out punnett square theories that are way over my head?
 

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Are you talking about the color seen in tervs and mals? I have never seen it in shepherds, but if I did I'd probably think the dog was a mix with one of the belgian breeds anyway.
 

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No, I mean blue. Blue and red are caused by two different modifiers on different alleles and locations. Blue is a dilute of Black, red is a masking of all black. All colors genetically start out as black and the different colors/patterns are various combinations of modifiers from there.

4GSD - Coat Colours

There are some blue dogs pictured there, along with some liver dogs further down.

The clear sable does look close to what most people would consider a "fawn" but I believe the person I'm asking the question for was thinking in terms of what is called Isabella in Dobes.
 

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I don't know that there is that coloring in GSD's then. Maybe at one time...hell maybe still. I was unable to find anything like it other than a variation of sable.
 

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And this...
The type of pigment synthesized in mammalian hair, yellow–red pheomelanin or black–brown eumelanin, depends on the interaction between Agouti protein and the Melanocortin 1 receptor. Although the genetics of pigmentation is broadly conserved across most mammalian species, pigment type-switching in domestic dogs is unusual because a yellow–tan coat with variable amounts of dark hair is thought to be caused by an allele of the Agouti locus referred to as fawn or sable (ay). In a large survey covering thirty seven breeds, we identified an Agouti allele with two missense alterations, A82S and R83H, which was present (heterozygous or homozygous) in 41 dogs (22 breeds) with a fawn or sable coat, but was absent from 16 dogs (8 breeds) with a black-and-tan or tricolor phenotype. In an additional 33 dogs (14 breeds) with a eumelanic coat, 8 (German Shepherd Dogs, Groenendaels, Schipperkes, or Shetland Sheepdogs) were homozygous for a previously reported mutation, non-agouti R96C; the remainder are likely to have carried dominant black, which is independent of and epistatic to Agouti. This work resolves some of the complexity in dog coat color genetics and provides diagnostic opportunities and practical guidelines for breeders.
 

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