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Hmmmm... Renee , interesting . To me they would have the best lines .
Nope, Grammy. Fila people are way different, lol. When they get in groups it brings out all the crazies.

Plus, we can't agree on a standard, and I hope we never do. It keeps the AKC out of the picture. Filas are a stand alone breed. We'll unite to protect our dogs, but we aren't the kind to group in clubs. When that starts happening, you can look for it to be the death knell for our breed.

Bunny . . . training . . . well, it's more of an alliance than training really. There's give and take. And Filas need a reason. They are rational, thinking, deliberating creatures. They understand cause and effect - well enough to instigate a sequence of cause and effect events on their own.

When they are pups, it's like dealing with a very precocious, very intelligent, very clever child, but that phase passes quickly into adolescence - which can be trying, lol! Expect things like a total disregard for previously good recall. As maturity sets in, so does reason.

Your Fila will likely have a strange and warped sense of humor also. Be prepared :D

But once your Fila is seven or eight months old, you will have very little to worry about as far as human aggression. Kharma disarmed a very large man she thought was threatening when he pulled a 3 foot steel bar out of his truck and started walking toward us. (He wasn't, he was going to use it to winch a tractor up on a trailer, lol) She was 7 months old when she did that.

A few months back I had a prowler in my backyard. She put the back bedroom window out. After that she didn't have to go out after him - he was GONE, and I feel fairly safe in saying he probably had to go home and change his underwear :D

She and I walk late at night in town. No worries. :) If someone even looks at us too long from their car she is on alert and ready to go. If there is someone behind us she turns and walks backwards beside me. If she hears gunshots anywhere she is up and looking for the source.

An indication of intelligence: the city cops here have harassed us; their dogs bark at us. Kharma HATES the city cops. She can also differentiate not only between the city cops themselves and the county cops, even though the uniforms are nearly identical, she differentiates between the cars . . . and the city has cars with two different paint schemes! One predominantly white with black, the other black and silver. I have no idea how she knows, but she does.

Oh, and your remark about the Pit Bulls . . . I've also got an APBT :D
 

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Bunny, you're doing great on both counts so far. :)

I too hope to be in the "owned by a Fila" club before too long.
 

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How would you describe training a Fila (their trainability?) they are intelligent and that usually means the dog is harder to train right? But they also bend over backwards to please their people so how does that come into play? Is there any particular form of training they respond better to?
I think the training bit is the only part Renee and I don't always agree on, lol. She thinks Bella is yanking our chain and I think Bella best recognize exactly WHO the boss is. ;) Yes, filas are very intelligent and stubborn and like to call the shots, but they are trainable. I am very lucky to have three dogs that are highly motivated by praise and food and that works to our advantage everyday. I could not imagine having an animal that will not listen to my commands, and most especially when I mean business, so while I don't recommend public puppy training (I'd stay away from most places like Petsmart and Petco personally, and find independent trainers that are at least knowledgeable of the breed if you wanted to go that route) I do think setting boundaries is important.

Filas do aim to please their family. They can be downright cute about it, especially after having gotten in some kind of trouble! :p When training our dogs we take what they love most and use that as a reward for their good behaviors that we want to shine through. For example, praise from us, or high value treats like hot dogs. It is always positive reinforcement, always.
 
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No, Filas don't want to call the shots on the everyday things, and even Kharma will double check with me if there's someone she's got her eye on. But it IS a give and take thing. Nikki actually deals with her dogs in much the same way I deal with mine, the only difference being that with the Filas I've raised - as well as Bimmer and several other dogs I've had who were independently thinking creatures - the "positive reinforcement" isn't really a behavioral reinforcement so much as it is a "thank you."

They all know that I have the last word. Kharma and Bimmer also know that I take their feelings into consideration. We don't have a dictatorship - we have more of a co-op with a leader. I think that also contributes to Kharma's relative ease with the modern world and meeting new people. She's a hard dog, from hard lines, but she's grown comfortable enough in her own judgment and trusts mine, and has enough self confidence to know that she CAN switch gears at a moment's notice and get us out of anything that comes up, so that she is able to live in the world, not be circumscribed to a more isolated one.

The only leash that will hold your Fila is one of love and respect. She and I know she could survive just fine on her own without anyone. But we love each other.
 

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I see what you are saying about training a Fila being more like forming an alliance. It sounds like they can be a bit challenging (I know that may not be the right word but its the closest I can think of to convey what I am trying to say) to train but the efforts put in by the owner are well worth it. I think I will end up with a great many laughs and asking myself, "How in the world did s/he do that?

I heard that if someone dares enter a Filas home or threatens a Filas owner with a weapon the Fila will take it (the weapon) and there is not a darn thing the would be attacker can do about it. Well maybe mess their pants but thats about it. Is this accurate?

Your APBT is beautiful, as are all your dogs.
 

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I think I will end up with a great many laughs and asking myself, "How in the world did s/he do that?
:rofl1: Yup.

I heard that if someone dares enter a Filas home or threatens a Filas owner with a weapon the Fila will take it (the weapon) and there is not a darn thing the would be attacker can do about it. Well maybe mess their pants but thats about it. Is this accurate?
I'm sure they'd mess their pants at least twice. :lol-sign:Bella has never been in a position where she's has to disarm someone, but I've no doubt she would. :)
 

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Nikki actually deals with her dogs in much the same way I deal with mine, the only difference being that with the Filas I've raised - as well as Bimmer and several other dogs I've had who were independently thinking creatures - the "positive reinforcement" isn't really a behavioral reinforcement so much as it is a "thank you."

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The only leash that will hold your Fila is one of love and respect.
Fair enough. :cool: ;)
 
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I heard that if someone dares enter a Filas home or threatens a Filas owner with a weapon the Fila will take it (the weapon) and there is not a darn thing the would be attacker can do about it. Well maybe mess their pants but thats about it. Is this accurate?

Your APBT is beautiful, as are all your dogs.
That is exactly what happens. I saw Buffy do it, and I saw Kharma do it.

The speed of these dogs is dumbfounding. Think every bit as fast as a large Doberman, but incredibly more agile and flexible. There is no place you can grab a Fila that the Fila can't grab you. And the Fila is going to be faster than you and have better reaction time. And no hesitation.

One of the most daunting displays I've ever seen a dog put on is Kharma standing on her back legs, advancing and lunging without ever putting her front legs back on the ground . . . Not something you expect to see a 125 pound dog be able to do. And she knew how much was sufficient. She never had to put a tooth to the guy. Of course, the fact that she didn't let him see her until he was in range was pretty neat :D

And Tallulah says thank you for the compliment.
 

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From everything I heard about their speed and agility and flexibility they sound more feline like in movement rather than dog like. As a Fila owner is this something you would agree to or am I just interpreting things incorrectly? If I am please let me know since it is the only I am going to learn and I want to be a good Fila owner someday and to do that I need to understand them and learn all I can. LOL I'd imagine if a Fila ever had the desire to compete in agility they would do awesome at it.
 

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From everything I heard about their speed and agility and flexibility they sound more feline like in movement rather than dog like. As a Fila owner is this something you would agree to or am I just interpreting things incorrectly? If I am please let me know since it is the only I am going to learn and I want to be a good Fila owner someday and to do that I need to understand them and learn all I can. LOL I'd imagine if a Fila ever had the desire to compete in agility they would do awesome at it.
Sounds like you know quite a bit. :)
 
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Well . . . the secret is . . . they aren't really dogs.

They are ginormous, alien cats in costume :D

I figure anything that's going to hunt jaguar has to be about half jaguar ;)

It's fun to watch these dogs hunt, too. They will double back and come in from behind. They drop to a stalk just like a cat, complete with the tip of the tail barely twitching, then they explode in a running pounce, just like watching the big cats hunt.

Oh, and they rub up against your legs like cats. Kharma also makes lion noises, especially if she's eating and something is eyeing her grub, and I have distinctly heard her purr on occasion, especially when I've been laying with my head up against her and she's blissfully content.
 

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Sounds like you know quite a bit. :)
That is very sweet of you to say and I appreciate it. It truly does mean a lot to me. Thank you. :)

LOL and since it has been clarified that they really are 'ginormous alien cats' does that mean they housebreak easy too? LOL. In all seriousness though what is the best method for housebreaking a Fila. I am familiar with crate training but I don't see this working with a Fila. LOL I guess my bed substitutes for the crate right.
 

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Bellla is crate-trained. I feel that it is important for all of my dogs to have a place in the home they can call their safe place and is their space only. It has proved useful in times she has had to be separated from the boys and in times when we've had people over. It's also a place she goes when she is not well, it's a sign to me to let me know something is up in many cases.
 
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Bellla is crate-trained. I feel that it is important for all of my dogs to have a place in the home they can call their safe place and is there space only. It has proved useful in times she has had to be separated from the boys and in times when we've had people over. It's also a place she goes when she is not well, it's a sign to me to let me know something is up in many cases.
That is why I am glad I found this board. I was under the impression that Filas were such velcro dogs that crate training might not be the best option for them. Thank you for the shared knowledge. I learned something new. :)
 

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They are velcro dogs, love to be with their people, but there are times when I feel a crate is necessary. My dogs are also fed in their crates, I have a gulper, a takes-time-to-enjoyer and a so-slow-you-just-turned-another-year-older eater, lol, so they come in handy. As long as they are not abused (the crates, I mean) I feel they are a great asset to any home.
 

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They are velcro dogs, love to be with their people, but there are times when I feel a crate is necessary. My dogs are also fed in their crates, I have a gulper, a times-time-to-enjoyer and a so slow you just turned another year older eater, lol, so they come in handy. As long as they are not abused (the crates, I mean) I feel they are a great asset to any home.
Awesome to know. Okay now tell the truth. I know Filas are intelligent (maybe too intelligent) has your Bella opened the crate yet on her own? I bet she could if she wanted to. :)
 

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They are basically mini ponies !!! I know ! I've ridden Kharma ! LOL!
 

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Awesome to know. Okay now tell the truth. I know Filas are intelligent (maybe too intelligent) has your Bella opened the crate yet on her own? I bet she could if she wanted to. :)
Of course she has! :cool: She is, afterall, a Fila. :rofl1:
 

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