I guess my post wasn't clear enough. I was not trying to describe this particular dog. I know what a Greater Swiss Mountain Dog is. But she said the Greater Swiss were like "Burmese," but with short hair. The term is Bernese. That's all I meant-- she was using the wrong name. I know that these particular dogs she was talking about were not Bernese. But yes, the Greater Swiss is similar to the Bernese, both being one of the four breeds refered to as Swiss mountain dogs. I own a Bernese Mountain Dog, and know quite well that they are different than the Greater Swiss Mountain Dog.
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No biggie. I just was trying to educate. I get a lot of people that come up to me and ask if he is a Burmese. Sometimes I try to correct them, sometimes I just let it go.
http://www.cfainc.org/breeds/profiles/burmese.html
I have found this to be true of MANY rescues no matter the size of dog, Fran. When I was living in Chicago looking for a dog (prior to Mojo), I tried to go to several rescues and they kept faulting me for having a job. I was "perfect" in every way, save for the fact i had a full time job and I lived in a 3rd floor walkup apartment. I wasn't quite sure how they expected me to support the dog if I didn't have a full time job, or where they expected me to live on my salary... but that's what I was told.
It cropped up when I looked at Greyhounds, when I looked at a terrier mutt in another rescue, and yet another terrier mutt from another rescue. I would go through the application process but as soon as they realized I worked full time out of my apartment I would be told no. Before finding Mojo, I think I applied for about 4 dogs just to be told no because I worked and/or lived in an apartment.
When I went to apply for Mojo one of the first questions I asked was "Are you going to fault me for living in an apartment and working full time?"
The adoption counselor looked at me all askance and asked back, "Are you going to feed, walk, and love the dog for being a dog?"
I replied "Yes."
She said "Then that's really all we care about - if you spend time with your dog, spend money to take your dog to the vet, to training, and on food and toys, plus walk and play with your dog.... then the fact you work and live in an apartment doesn't count against you."
I breathed a sigh of relief, because I was already falling in love wiht my dorky little mutt dog even as I filled out the paperwork. After the paperwork was reviewed, and decided on... they also told me that overall I was what they consider to be a perfect adopter no exceptions. Thus I have my lovely mutt... without having to jump through quite as many high hoops as I did for the other dogs I considered.
Now if only all other rescues would recognize that just because you live in an apartment that doesn't mean you won't be a good owner. Just because you work a full time job, that doesn't automatically mean you won't be a good owner.
But on the other hand, if only other people would take a chance on a dog regardless of breed or age (like i did - i was afraid of pitbulls prior to Mojo) maybe more dogs would find homes, more puppies would not be needed, and fewer dogs would have to die everyday. You know?
It cropped up when I looked at Greyhounds, when I looked at a terrier mutt in another rescue, and yet another terrier mutt from another rescue. I would go through the application process but as soon as they realized I worked full time out of my apartment I would be told no. Before finding Mojo, I think I applied for about 4 dogs just to be told no because I worked and/or lived in an apartment.
When I went to apply for Mojo one of the first questions I asked was "Are you going to fault me for living in an apartment and working full time?"
The adoption counselor looked at me all askance and asked back, "Are you going to feed, walk, and love the dog for being a dog?"
I replied "Yes."
She said "Then that's really all we care about - if you spend time with your dog, spend money to take your dog to the vet, to training, and on food and toys, plus walk and play with your dog.... then the fact you work and live in an apartment doesn't count against you."
I breathed a sigh of relief, because I was already falling in love wiht my dorky little mutt dog even as I filled out the paperwork. After the paperwork was reviewed, and decided on... they also told me that overall I was what they consider to be a perfect adopter no exceptions. Thus I have my lovely mutt... without having to jump through quite as many high hoops as I did for the other dogs I considered.
Now if only all other rescues would recognize that just because you live in an apartment that doesn't mean you won't be a good owner. Just because you work a full time job, that doesn't automatically mean you won't be a good owner.
But on the other hand, if only other people would take a chance on a dog regardless of breed or age (like i did - i was afraid of pitbulls prior to Mojo) maybe more dogs would find homes, more puppies would not be needed, and fewer dogs would have to die everyday. You know?
Exactly Mojo. Rescues are a real pain for their prerequisites. Sure, the dogs they have in foster care are probably in a good home until they get adopted, but what about the other dogs? Are dogs happier dead than in a home with someone who works 8 hours a day? Really, it's silly.
But yeah. If people stopped buying from backyard breeders just because they want a small dog and considered a medium dog at the local shelter instead, it would go a long way.
So honestly I think they are both equally at fault there.
But yeah. If people stopped buying from backyard breeders just because they want a small dog and considered a medium dog at the local shelter instead, it would go a long way.
So honestly I think they are both equally at fault there.
I really had to think hard and fast about my pups going to a home and being left all day. I did get them used to cages, but hated the thought of them being caged all day. If the new families were away that long with new pups, I'd suggest rescue. Those I did sell to, were able to go home during the day at various times. This way the pups were never left alone for more than 3 hours at the most. Happily, back in my breeding days, the Mom was usually home. EliN and NashNRudy I think were the 1st ones where both worked. They both handled it well . This is why I refused to sell a pup to Chip's owner when she 1st wanted a puppy. When I did sell , she was an at home Mom with 2 kiddies... then decided to go back to work. Anyway, it ended up being their loss after 4 years, and my gain for 5 years ! I miss those years... I loved my pups. Today brings in a whole new world.
Grammy - I can understand that restriction with a puppy. I really can. But all the dogs I was interested in adopting were adults - from 2 years of age to about 5. I think the restrictions were a little ridiculous for the adult dogs, especially considering a lot of these same rescues then complained about how they couldn't find people to adopt their dogs. I was WILLING to adopt, but I had to work too...
Ah well... I am sure the other dogs got good homes too... and I have looked on the entire thing as just something that made it possible for Mojo to come into my life. It was just all a bit baffling to me...
Ah well... I am sure the other dogs got good homes too... and I have looked on the entire thing as just something that made it possible for Mojo to come into my life. It was just all a bit baffling to me...
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I got lucky with my Aussie rescue rep...she had a full time job and knew that it was quite possible to work and take good care of your dog at the same time. Of course, at the time of application, I didn't have a job and was home all day anyway...
I love mutts, simply because they are unique. No one else is going to have the same dog as you. It may look similar, but your dog is your dog! When I had my dobie mix, I saw a few other dogs that looked almost identical to her...she had had a litter of pups right before we got her, so I always thought that maybe I was seeing one of her puppies all grown up.
I love mutts, simply because they are unique. No one else is going to have the same dog as you. It may look similar, but your dog is your dog! When I had my dobie mix, I saw a few other dogs that looked almost identical to her...she had had a litter of pups right before we got her, so I always thought that maybe I was seeing one of her puppies all grown up.
Summer..... Please don't bash people who ask for payment of pups from an "accidental" breeding. People who own dogs and end up with an accidental litter sell them for a very good reason: if a person is willing to pay for a puppy, they will be more likely to take good care of it.
My sister had an accidental breeding that resulted in a litter of pit bull/GSD/Lab pups. She knew that she had three options: take the pups to the pound, give them away, or sell them for a small but not cheap price (If I remember correctly, $50 is what she ended up asking). She opted to sell the pups so people looking for "bait" or "fighting" dogs would be less interested. The puppies were well socialized during their first 8 weeks of life. They were surrounded by a family of five (kids age 4 to 10), cats, dogs, visitors who loved to cuddle them (myself included)..... by the time they left her house they had been wormed, checked over by a vet, and used to loud noises and children stealing their toys and food.
If I had an unexpected litter right now (impossible because Buddy is a neutered male....), I would not hesitate to ask for a small fee to ensure that the pups went to a good home where they would be loved and cared for. Isn't that what rescues and shelters do, anyway??
(BTW..... she had the father dog neutered right away after this happened, and the mom was spayed as soon as the vet said it was safe. She is NOT a BYB in any sense of the phrase.....)
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My sister had an accidental breeding that resulted in a litter of pit bull/GSD/Lab pups. She knew that she had three options: take the pups to the pound, give them away, or sell them for a small but not cheap price (If I remember correctly, $50 is what she ended up asking). She opted to sell the pups so people looking for "bait" or "fighting" dogs would be less interested. The puppies were well socialized during their first 8 weeks of life. They were surrounded by a family of five (kids age 4 to 10), cats, dogs, visitors who loved to cuddle them (myself included)..... by the time they left her house they had been wormed, checked over by a vet, and used to loud noises and children stealing their toys and food.
If I had an unexpected litter right now (impossible because Buddy is a neutered male....), I would not hesitate to ask for a small fee to ensure that the pups went to a good home where they would be loved and cared for. Isn't that what rescues and shelters do, anyway??
(BTW..... she had the father dog neutered right away after this happened, and the mom was spayed as soon as the vet said it was safe. She is NOT a BYB in any sense of the phrase.....)
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Mary's litter was accidentlywoopsmyafault..her mother was purebred lab..her dad pure gshorthair pointer..i asked 35 dollars to cover the cost of the vaccines..they were housebroken at 8 wks..the world has a lot of oops litters out there to chose from without ever encouraging the breeding on purpose.
Most any humane society..animal care will tell you to charge something to ensure your pups don't go for research or aggressive dog training..those people do not want to "pay" for disposible pups..if the person that had the litter is responsible enough to provide shot records..and all vet care..i even included a little folder with newborn pics..pics of both parents and a self addressed stamped envelope asking if they would send me a grown up pic one day (none of them did) ..there are good people ..responsible people that had an accident..but have taken the responsiblity for it. They deserve some kind of compensation for the puppy. I took the puppy money and ran mom dog all the way to the vet to be spay so it never ever happened again.
Most any humane society..animal care will tell you to charge something to ensure your pups don't go for research or aggressive dog training..those people do not want to "pay" for disposible pups..if the person that had the litter is responsible enough to provide shot records..and all vet care..i even included a little folder with newborn pics..pics of both parents and a self addressed stamped envelope asking if they would send me a grown up pic one day (none of them did) ..there are good people ..responsible people that had an accident..but have taken the responsiblity for it. They deserve some kind of compensation for the puppy. I took the puppy money and ran mom dog all the way to the vet to be spay so it never ever happened again.
Have to agree
Mutts/mixes are great
Bodhi is like no dog I have ever seen. But, her bro's & sis's are all different too, so I think it is harder to predict looks.
But, I think personality comes from mum and dad, just like pedigree's, so that is something that can be looked at and predicted.
I am mixed on breeding mutts, as I find some of the morals for breeding pedigrees wrong, wrong, wrong.
In an ideal world, ALL breeding would stop for 12/18 months or so (or longer), so the shelters can empty first
I think the world would be a dull place without mixed breeds.
I think asking for money for a mixed breed to cover the expenses of having babies is what a responsible owner would do. Plus, anyone can pick up a free puppy (ie - anyone BAD)..
Mutts/mixes are great
Bodhi is like no dog I have ever seen. But, her bro's & sis's are all different too, so I think it is harder to predict looks.
But, I think personality comes from mum and dad, just like pedigree's, so that is something that can be looked at and predicted.
I am mixed on breeding mutts, as I find some of the morals for breeding pedigrees wrong, wrong, wrong.
In an ideal world, ALL breeding would stop for 12/18 months or so (or longer), so the shelters can empty first
I think the world would be a dull place without mixed breeds.
I think asking for money for a mixed breed to cover the expenses of having babies is what a responsible owner would do. Plus, anyone can pick up a free puppy (ie - anyone BAD)..
mojozen said:
I have found this to be true of MANY rescues no matter the size of dog, Fran. When I was living in Chicago looking for a dog (prior to Mojo), I tried to go to several rescues and they kept faulting me for having a job. I was "perfect" in every way, save for the fact i had a full time job and I lived in a 3rd floor walkup apartment. I wasn't quite sure how they expected me to support the dog if I didn't have a full time job, or where they expected me to live on my salary... but that's what I was told.
It cropped up when I looked at Greyhounds, when I looked at a terrier mutt in another rescue, and yet another terrier mutt from another rescue. I would go through the application process but as soon as they realized I worked full time out of my apartment I would be told no. Before finding Mojo, I think I applied for about 4 dogs just to be told no because I worked and/or lived in an apartment.
When I went to apply for Mojo one of the first questions I asked was "Are you going to fault me for living in an apartment and working full time?"
The adoption counselor looked at me all askance and asked back, "Are you going to feed, walk, and love the dog for being a dog?"
I replied "Yes."
She said "Then that's really all we care about - if you spend time with your dog, spend money to take your dog to the vet, to training, and on food and toys, plus walk and play with your dog.... then the fact you work and live in an apartment doesn't count against you."
I breathed a sigh of relief, because I was already falling in love wiht my dorky little mutt dog even as I filled out the paperwork. After the paperwork was reviewed, and decided on... they also told me that overall I was what they consider to be a perfect adopter no exceptions. Thus I have my lovely mutt... without having to jump through quite as many high hoops as I did for the other dogs I considered.
Now if only all other rescues would recognize that just because you live in an apartment that doesn't mean you won't be a good owner. Just because you work a full time job, that doesn't automatically mean you won't be a good owner.
But on the other hand, if only other people would take a chance on a dog regardless of breed or age (like i did - i was afraid of pitbulls prior to Mojo) maybe more dogs would find homes, more puppies would not be needed, and fewer dogs would have to die everyday. You know?
It cropped up when I looked at Greyhounds, when I looked at a terrier mutt in another rescue, and yet another terrier mutt from another rescue. I would go through the application process but as soon as they realized I worked full time out of my apartment I would be told no. Before finding Mojo, I think I applied for about 4 dogs just to be told no because I worked and/or lived in an apartment.
When I went to apply for Mojo one of the first questions I asked was "Are you going to fault me for living in an apartment and working full time?"
The adoption counselor looked at me all askance and asked back, "Are you going to feed, walk, and love the dog for being a dog?"
I replied "Yes."
She said "Then that's really all we care about - if you spend time with your dog, spend money to take your dog to the vet, to training, and on food and toys, plus walk and play with your dog.... then the fact you work and live in an apartment doesn't count against you."
I breathed a sigh of relief, because I was already falling in love wiht my dorky little mutt dog even as I filled out the paperwork. After the paperwork was reviewed, and decided on... they also told me that overall I was what they consider to be a perfect adopter no exceptions. Thus I have my lovely mutt... without having to jump through quite as many high hoops as I did for the other dogs I considered.
Now if only all other rescues would recognize that just because you live in an apartment that doesn't mean you won't be a good owner. Just because you work a full time job, that doesn't automatically mean you won't be a good owner.
But on the other hand, if only other people would take a chance on a dog regardless of breed or age (like i did - i was afraid of pitbulls prior to Mojo) maybe more dogs would find homes, more puppies would not be needed, and fewer dogs would have to die everyday. You know?