Breeds similar to ACDs.

k9to5mama

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I love ACDs, their look, personalities. The only think I am either bit weary about is that I've been hearing about quite a few that are DA. One of my current dogs is a major jerk towards other dogs 90% of the time, usually while on leash or with any small dogs and I'd really rather not go through that again. I've pretty much picked out a breeder if I do go that route who's dogs I really like in looks and temper but I'm open to other options for sure.

I love the herding breeds and would like to stick to them, no hounds, no terriers, no small dogs. Has to be medium/large, has to be able to trusted off leash, trainable, we do a lot of out door stuff, camping, swimming (the dogs) hiking, hunting and like to take the dogs with us. I also like easy to groom, short haired breeds as personal dogs, wash and wear so to speak. We also take our dogs to work, my partner works in forestry and I am a groomer.

Currently we have a lab, acd/gsd and a bc/sibe.
 

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Hmm... not many dogs as "hard" as an ACD that isn't DA/DR prone.

I guess second I would recommend a smooth coated BC, then maybe an Aussie? ES may fit too.
 

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Haha this is from April. But anyways
Kelpies are supposed to be pretty similar to ACDs but a little more amicable. I'm wary of the US Kelpie breeders though, and it can be hard to get the better ones to sell to pet homes. There is no health testing done, and I've heard of an oddly high number of owner aggressive dogs. But, a good one is supposed to be good. Shrug.
 

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I knew it was old, but never got any replies so I figured i would.

I thought about kelpies, but can't they be prone to da as well?
 

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Honestly, any herder is going to be prone to dog aggression, especially SSA - you're going to have to look into specific lines of the breed you want to find one less likely to produce DA dogs.

Very common in working line GSDs, common in BCs depending on lines, I know many aussies with aggression, too.

Add in the tension of a leash and if you don't have good obedience, there's a huge chance of the dog being a jerk.

It's a chance you take. :-/
 

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Honestly, any herder is going to be prone to dog aggression, especially SSA - you're going to have to look into specific lines of the breed you want to find one less likely to produce DA dogs.

Very common in working line GSDs, common in BCs depending on lines, I know many aussies with aggression, too.

Add in the tension of a leash and if you don't have good obedience, there's a huge chance of the dog being a jerk.

It's a chance you take. :-/
From what I've heard, dog aggression isn't commonly found in koolies. That's the only herding breed I can think of :/
 

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From what I've heard, dog aggression isn't commonly found in koolies. That's the only herding breed I can think of :/
Circus (a Koolie) can be scrappy at times and I've had to separate fights between her and Pablo (my boyfriend's 2yo lab-mix). I say that he starts it, SO says that she starts it. Circus has NEVER had any aggression issues with Lugia and when it was just the two of them I left out chews, bones, toys all the time and they got along extremely well. I do notice Circus acting bitchy at Lugia from time to time and Lugia just walks away. But now that we're living with Pablo we have to put the bones and toys away unless they're being supervised. I honestly had no idea she was like this until I moved in with Pablo. She had never been in a dog fight before and now with Pablo they get into an altercation maybe once every 2-3 weeks.

Circus is definitely willing to fight a dog that has pissed her off. Fights have broken out between Circus and Pablo for the following reasons:
I'm petting both of them at the same time, Circus got too close to Pablo chewing a bone, I'm taking turns playing tug with the dogs, and if they bump each other it might start a brawl; Circus was stalking a squirrel and then Pablo shows up scaring it away and she might re-direct on him.

Another time an offleash mini poodle came charging at Circus barking, she pinned it to the ground snarling, but I separated them before that turned into a fight.

Other than that, Circus does fine with playgroups and stuff - I don't really consider her dog aggressive, but if she's around another dog that's kind of scrappy she'll feed off that energy and want to fight.
 

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I was in the same boat as you. I love my ACDs but such a hard, "jerk" dog was not a good choice this time around, so I went with a mini aussie. They are also sport dogs and the perfect size to live in a small area, should we have to.

Here is their breed club site: http://mascaonline.com/ it's a good place to start.
 

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Circus (a Koolie) can be scrappy at times and I've had to separate fights between her and Pablo (my boyfriend's 2yo lab-mix). I say that he starts it, SO says that she starts it. Circus has NEVER had any aggression issues with Lugia and when it was just the two of them I left out chews, bones, toys all the time and they got along extremely well. I do notice Circus acting bitchy at Lugia from time to time and Lugia just walks away. But now that we're living with Pablo we have to put the bones and toys away unless they're being supervised. I honestly had no idea she was like this until I moved in with Pablo. She had never been in a dog fight before and now with Pablo they get into an altercation maybe once every 2-3 weeks.

Circus is definitely willing to fight a dog that has pissed her off. Fights have broken out between Circus and Pablo for the following reasons:
I'm petting both of them at the same time, Circus got too close to Pablo chewing a bone, I'm taking turns playing tug with the dogs, and if they bump each other it might start a brawl; Circus was stalking a squirrel and then Pablo shows up scaring it away and she might re-direct on him.

Another time an offleash mini poodle came charging at Circus barking, she pinned it to the ground snarling, but I separated them before that turned into a fight.

Other than that, Circus does fine with playgroups and stuff - I don't really consider her dog aggressive, but if she's around another dog that's kind of scrappy she'll feed off that energy and want to fight.
How serious re the fights? I have only had to break up two fights and that's because the other dog tried to escalate it and Josefina was intent on finishing it, there was blood in those two fights.

but I never break it up unless I absolutely have to, I believe they should work it out on their own if at all possible.
 

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To be honest, the only herder I can think of that doesn't have breed wide DA and SSA are rough/smooth collies. For some reason the smooth collies tend to be a little more sassy and driven, at least the ones I've met, but a lot of it is also dependent on lines.

Edit: You could get a blue smooth and that would give you a look that is similar to a kelpie/koolie/acd. Especially if it's prick eared.
 

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Shelties don't seem prone to DA or SSA in my experience. They don't fit the OP's requirements but I have never met a DA one.
 

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Aussies and mini aussies aren't prone to DA, IME at least. Also rough collies (lassie) don't usually have issues with DA.

I wouldn't even call ACDs really DA, dog selective, maybe but I think going as far as to say they are outright DA might be a little extreme.
 

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How serious re the fights? I have only had to break up two fights and that's because the other dog tried to escalate it and Josefina was intent on finishing it, there was blood in those two fights.

but I never break it up unless I absolutely have to, I believe they should work it out on their own if at all possible.
The fights usually aren't that serious - except for one occasion, they always escalate when they're right next to me or my SO and a verbal "KNOCK IT OFF!" will cause them to break up (as long as we catch it within the first 2 seconds). There was one time where my SO gave Pablo a bone and took a shower, Circus must have walked by him because they got into a fight which left Circus with a small laceration on her ear by the time he got to them. I never just let them "work it out on their own" because Pablo is 60# and Circus is 25#.
 

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Aussies and mini aussies aren't prone to DA, IME at least. Also rough collies (lassie) don't usually have issues with DA.

I wouldn't even call ACDs really DA, dog selective, maybe but I think going as far as to say they are outright DA might be a little extreme.
I have known MANY male Aussies with SSA. In fact at some Aussie obedience shows I have seen the judges take the dogs out of order and place them male, female, male, female, for the long stays to avoid issues.
 

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I've met many many DA and SSA ACDs.

GSDs are definitely prone to both, as well as Dutches, Mals and Aussies including Mini Aussies.

There are a lot of off breed herding breeds I'm not sure of though.
 

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