Aussie Shepherd heat tolerance

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okay, I am thinking about getting an Aussie as my next dog, I would love a workign BC or Kelpie but 2 things made me wonder, the first is that I've never had a really high energy dog before, Buster can be as high or as low energy that I want him to be. And the other thing is that I would really like to show,but have no interest in the show line of BCs or kelpies.

It popped in to my head a couple of week ago that maybe an Aussie woudl be a good dog, I like the show lines, I want to show one in the future, they're a herding breed, still drivery with a need for excercise, but not as demanding as jumping right into a high energy dog from working lines. So I can show and I can get right into agility. Plus they are a relitivley friendly breed twards other dogs "good natured, seldom quarrelsome" is part of their stand, as is being reserved with strangers, which I love.

So I'm thinking that while I woudl love a BC or kelpie, an Aussie might be a better fit at this time.

I do have a question though, at the stage when I do get my next dog, most likley I'll be living in Darwin. Most days it is around 33C (around 85F I think) but it can get easily up into the 40s and when I used to live that way (300km south of Darwin) our 50C thermometre exploded when left in the sun for 3 minutes one day, (those days are indoor, air con on days)

So I've been wondering about the heat tolerance of show lines? Would I be better off tracking down a breeder up that way, would that heat tolerance sort of pass down to the pups?
I have found one breeeder I really like (well I like they're info on their website, further conatct would be needed) but they are in Sydney, would flying a dog from Sydney to Darwin possibly cause it too much stress?

there are only 2 seasons up there, the wet and the dry, in the dry nights can drop to 11C, thats the coldest I've seen them and no rain, in the wet it buckts down nearly everyday but tends to be hotter. The build up just before the wet is the real killer, muggy, very very hot but no rain.

I knwo ther eis atleast one breeder there that has Aussies and Shelties, I am thinking about emailing them and asking how they're dogs do but though I'd check here first.
 

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I know here (in lower Alabama) Aussies and Border Collies do fine.

Our summer weather is a high of 105 to a low in the winter of the mid 20's. I've never seen it go lower than 20F in the winter. Never. And it MAY have gotten to 110F. But normal weather is about 90F-105F for March-Septemper. October-February is about 30F-70F.

My Border Collie/Aussie mix does well, as with my Poodle, Beagle, and Border Collie. I also know Bernese Moutain Dogs that do just fine, too.
 

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Heat don't scare dem workin' dawhgs.


In all honesty I think you'll do fine. Most dogs tolerate the heat alright. My two shed like crazy before the warm months come around. They tolerate the heat better than I do.
 

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awesome :)
I probably wouldn't worry if it was working lines, but I wasn't sure about the show line with extra fur.
 

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What is it that you like about show Aussies vs show BC or Kelpie? I know over here, the split in that breed is nearly as strong as in the BC. A show Aussie and a working Aussie are two very different creatures.

I house-sit for a very heavily coated show-line Aussie, and he does seem to handle the heat fine, although in Vermont heat is a relative term. He certainly seems happier in the cold weather.
 

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I don't know what it is that attracts me more to the show Aussies, probably because there just arn't any working Aussies here, they're still a relatiovley unknown breed to most people. I have always been exposed to the working line BCs and kelpies, I've spent time around them since I was very young, so seeing them in show form (first tiem last year) really rocked me how big the split was, but Aussies I've only ever seen the show lines.

I've been reading a lot of stuff about them on another forum and it seems that a lot of the show lines lack any herding instinct at all, which is disapointing really but expected. While I'd like to do herding, I'd probably prefer to when I was closer to somewhere I could actually do some regular workshops.


Than again... knowing me I'll pronbably fall in love with some little red and tan rescue and bring it home instead lol.
 

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My aussie from conf/working lines came originally from Minnesota, low humidity, occasional 80's. He has loads of coat, does not really enjoy the regular 80's -90's and higher humidity here in SE Pennsylvania. Although he did compete at those temps in agility and did it well I made extra sure that he was wet and cool when possible. My working line young bc doesnt mind the heat and regulates himself well flopping into available water when he needs to after working or playing
 

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I've been reading a lot of stuff about them on another forum and it seems that a lot of the show lines lack any herding instinct at all, which is disapointing really but expected. While I'd like to do herding, I'd probably prefer to when I was closer to somewhere I could actually do some regular workshops.
I guess what I don't really get is - you clearly understand the divide in some of the other herding breeds, and living where you do, probably see it even more than many others. Think of what the show ring has done to a breed you know well like the kelpie; the same has been done to Aussies. Do you want to support that sort of change in a working breed by buying show lines and showing it in conformation? Do you want to support the breeding of a great working/herding breed...that no longer is able/willing to work stock?

Just some food for thought;).
 

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There are plenty of working breeders there in Australia. I can't remember the name of the one I know and I'm not on my computer to look it up, though I know they also have Tlingit Shetland ponies, so you could do a Google search that way. They just got a new pup imported from the US, Fairoaks lines, which are some of the foundation lines in the breed.

Far as heat tolerance goes, so long as there is shade and water available, they do just fine. Remeber, these are dogs there were bred to work outside all day long on the prairies, which can be pretty brutal in the summer. I know here in Kansas, the temps can get over 100F with pretty high humidity. I don't keep him out for long, no more than a couple hours at a time and always with plenty of water around and he does fine. They also tolerate cold just dandily. Kansas can get below 0F, though it's not all the time. But I also know plenty of Aussies up in Wisconsin that do fine in tons of snow and below 0F temps. They're hardy dogs with coats designed for the outdoors.

Autralian show lines...not a fan. I'm not a fan of show lines over all, especially not in this breed. You can find those breeders who mostly show but take pains to try and keep the brains in their lines, but it takes lots of work. If you want a dog with a good on/off switch, you are better off sticking more with working lines.
 

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I agree with Zoom. You seem to go back and forth alot on what type of dog you want, Mrose.
 

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I have a showline aussie, however, her lines carry alot of HOF /WTCH dogs, which are working dogs as well. Basically show dogs that work :))

I also have a working line aussie..

With my two,,my showline aussie is much more active, energetic, and raring to go, than my working line aussie..My working line male, however, is MUCH more intense and serious about whatever he's doing.. My showline girl, is more a comic relief :)))

I have no idea what is available in Australia..but the comment you made about showline dogs not having much herding instinct/drive,,can be completely wrong..My female (and lot of other showlined aussies I know) have very high herding drives.

I would think it would depend on what the parents are doing , if anything , other than conformation..

I LOVE my aussies to death,,but one thing I have found,,they can be very "self rewarding",,they can be stubborn, they will do whatever IF they are getting something out of it :)) If an aussie doesn't want to do something there is no way no how your going to get them to do it :)))

I do agility with my female, but have more or less retired her from it,,she is as I said, comic relief,,she would rather be herding than playing agility..

If I had no dogs, or even ONE dog,,(I have 4) and I wanted to compete in agility, most likely I'd go with the BC who will give you the shirt off his back, to work for you..
Just my opinion
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I agree with Zoom. You seem to go back and forth alot on what type of dog you want, Mrose.
oh a do, a lot, and I know getting my next dog is a long way off and my planned situation keeps changing.

You've got good points, I do know what the show ring has done to other breeds and I don't like it, I probably shouldn't support it for this breed when I'm aware of it. Actually, when I heard about the sheer amount of Aussies that lack any herding drive in the slightest I was a bit irked.

Zoom, if you have any names of working breeders here will you let me know, I wouldn't mind contacting them one day just to talk if nothing else.

Like I said, I'm still a couple of years off my next dog, and I havn't met enough to make sure I'm prepared for a BC, I would love one, they wouldbe so much fun but am still worried I wouldn't be able to provide what they need excercise/mental stimulation, I would hate myself if I "ruined" a dog.

Thankyou Chazzers, head officially back on straight.
 

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Aussies need as much mental stimulation as Border Collies... I think they do anyways. My two Borders are really easy going dogs though so I may not truly understand those insane Border Collies.
 

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Paige, you give your kids enough stimulation so they're not crazy. I'm sure that in the hands of someone less willing to get up at 5am and go bike riding with them, they'd probably be more of "those crazy dogs".

Mrose: here's the lady I was thinking about. http://dogwebs.net/Waikikamukau/index.asp She's a mix of show/working, might be what you want, might just be a good place to start. Don't know much about her, I just recognize some of the lines she uses and I'm kind of familar with the kennel she just got her newest pup from.
 

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I'm so use to living the Border Collie lifestyle now I forget it's not normal. :p All the Aussies I have met are way more bonkers than my duo. A lot more vocal about their opinions too.

I'd love to have an Aussie one day. They've always been an interest.
 

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