5 year old girl killed by Pit Bull
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No don't get me wrong here, I'm not hating on labs here as my parents own 2 & I actually love the breed as a working breed.
However, for those that think popularity & byb overbreeding & peddling hasn't affected them, then how nice of a bubble do you live in. Working at a large veterinary clinic (2nd in size only to LSU vet school with us having 60,000 active clients), we see what has become of the breed. Many, many of them are unstable with fearful temperaments & some are just outright aggressive. We also see that DA has become somewhat common in them.
And to answer your question, we had an incident in the waiting room of our clinic involving a man & his 2 supposedly friendly labs. Before we moved across the street, our clinic was adjoined to a pet supply store by a large doorway that allowed people to go back & forth. The man with the 2 approx. 90lb labs was waiting in line to check in when another man & his 2 small sons (around 5 & 8) asked him to move a bit to allow them to pass through the clinic after leaving the pet store. The guy didn't move any & so they just made their way past. But just as the youngest boy was going by, for no known reason 1 of the dogs jumped on him & grabbed him by his jacket. The 2nd dog then grabbed the kids arm. The dad immediately try to pull the kid away but this only caused the dogs to strengthen their grips. The owner of the dogs just began yelling at them. I hopped over the counter & met up with my boss who came running from the back when she heard all the screams & growls. It took us literally beating the dogs & kicks to their kidneys (no I'm not ashamed as in my opinion the 2 dogs should've been shot on the spot) to get them to let go so we could get the child away. The owner of the dogs was still screaming & not was screaming at us for "abusing" his dogs. Thankfully the boy's heavy coat (it was cold out) saved him from critical damage, but he still suffered many many punctures & scratches. As to the dogs, it took catch poles & lots of acepromazine to get them back undercontrol. We called AC AND the police as the guy tried to leave with his dogs, but that was a no go. And the guy almost got his dogs back which would have been horrible, but thankfully they were put to sleep after the little boy's dad pressed charges & filed suit to have the dogs PTS.
And this was just 1 horrible incident. I had almost 30 stitches in my left forearm from a black lab deciding that the street I was jogging on was his & he was determined to make me leave it. All while is owner stood in the yard & watched. I made an effort to shield my APBT behind me & thinking I could stop the dog, I put my left arm up to block & instead the dog grabbed it & knocked me flat on my back. I then let go of my dog's leash & let my dog try to defend me. 2 neighbors who saw what was going on dragged me out of the way & then once I was upright & thinking clearly, we managed to get the 2 fighting dogs apart. AC was called & the lab's owner didn't even get a freaking citation but guess who did get a warning & a threat for letting go of the leash of a "pit bull".....yup, me. I was told that I was lucky that my dog didn't kill that dog or else I would be the one in trouble.
But again, me posting these 2 incidents are to prove labs are bad because I know otherwise. In fact, I do NOT believe in bad breeds but I do believe that individual dogs are bad & 100 times as many owners are bad. But to think that other breeds don't attack is just naive & almost silly. Attacks happen every day & in all honesty, most could & should have been prevented. IMO, that's what it's all about & what we should be working towards: the PREVENTION of dog attacks. In both of the above cases, the attacks would've been prevented in the 1st owner would've left his dogs in the car to check in, moved when asked to, or better yet muzzled them before stepping foot in the clinic. The 2nd attack could've been prevented had the owner had his dog properly contained on his lawn. However, where I live there is no leash law, only a nuisance law so they felt they didn't have to give him a warning....& I call that bullshit.
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This story is exactly what I am talking about regarding PB and the supposed non- people aggressive potential of the dog. As far as I am concerned, these dogs are a potential threat whenever they are in your neighborhood, especially if you are a dog owner...
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/9653722/detail.html
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/9653722/detail.html
Do you honestly think "pit bulls" are the only breeds (as there is truly no such breed of dog called a pit bull) to have killed people? To date, 49 breeds of dogs have killed adults, children, & infants ranging from the "pit bull" breeds, to Shepherds to Boxers to Yorkies to Pomeranians to Jack Russell Terriers.
PREVENTION is the key here & I'm not sure why so many people are against actually fighting for leash laws, the mandatory euthanasia of dogs with a history of biting (in my book, 1 bite & you're out), & the enforcement of other laws. We should be out there in our communities doing workshops for children on how to properly interact with dogs including the family dog, the friend's dog, & the stray dog. We should be putting pressure on schools to allow an animal/dog safety program into their school at least once a year. But instead, some would rather sit back & say "ban the pit bulls! Ban the Rottweilers! Ban the Doberman Pinschers!" & then think they have done a job well done in ending all dog bites.
PREVENTION is the key here & I'm not sure why so many people are against actually fighting for leash laws, the mandatory euthanasia of dogs with a history of biting (in my book, 1 bite & you're out), & the enforcement of other laws. We should be out there in our communities doing workshops for children on how to properly interact with dogs including the family dog, the friend's dog, & the stray dog. We should be putting pressure on schools to allow an animal/dog safety program into their school at least once a year. But instead, some would rather sit back & say "ban the pit bulls! Ban the Rottweilers! Ban the Doberman Pinschers!" & then think they have done a job well done in ending all dog bites.
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I say that it is manslaughter plain and simple. People need to be held responsible for the actions of their animals. Your dog kills someone you go to jail.
Like the ferret who bit the child's foot off, everyone was so quick to blame the pit bull puppy but it turns out it wasnt the dog. You know what those people got? A $100 fine. How is that right? Do you think if the girl realized what was going on she would agree with such a lax punishment? Not to mention it also said that if they attended parental classes they might be able to get their child back. Is that justice? These idiots are free to go and get another dog & another ferret. And if it's only a $100 fine for extremly child neglect, then why wouldnt they?!?!?
Do you think the parents should be held accountable? I certainly do.
Bottom line is you are responsible for your dog's behavior. If you have an aggressive dog, you need to take precautions to make sure it & the public are safe from the dog. Or (what I think people should do) euthanize the dog.
I am all for stricter laws for aggressive dogs (of ANY breed).
A couple came into the shelter last week and adopted a pit bull, they had small children and the dog LOVED the kids. Very nice family,
I would much rather run into a pit bull any day than a poorly trained GSD or lab. I have yet to meet an aggressive pit bull. Kind of funny since according to Bob and all the others they are running around everywhere.
I was told today by a local dog trainer that there are "lots of wonderful pit bulls" who belong to her dog training club.
I think your dog attacks someone unprovoked, the dog should be euthanized, the people should pay a HEAFTY fine and not be allowed to own dogs for 5 years. Your dog kills someone-dog should be euthanized, you go to jail, you are never allowed to own a dog again.
An example of how "aggressive" pit bulls are:
I have tons more where that came from. Yes what happened to this girl is a horrible horrible tragedy BUT the owners of the dog should be held responsible.
Like the ferret who bit the child's foot off, everyone was so quick to blame the pit bull puppy but it turns out it wasnt the dog. You know what those people got? A $100 fine. How is that right? Do you think if the girl realized what was going on she would agree with such a lax punishment? Not to mention it also said that if they attended parental classes they might be able to get their child back. Is that justice? These idiots are free to go and get another dog & another ferret. And if it's only a $100 fine for extremly child neglect, then why wouldnt they?!?!?
Do you think the parents should be held accountable? I certainly do.
Bottom line is you are responsible for your dog's behavior. If you have an aggressive dog, you need to take precautions to make sure it & the public are safe from the dog. Or (what I think people should do) euthanize the dog.
I am all for stricter laws for aggressive dogs (of ANY breed).
A couple came into the shelter last week and adopted a pit bull, they had small children and the dog LOVED the kids. Very nice family,
I would much rather run into a pit bull any day than a poorly trained GSD or lab. I have yet to meet an aggressive pit bull. Kind of funny since according to Bob and all the others they are running around everywhere.
I was told today by a local dog trainer that there are "lots of wonderful pit bulls" who belong to her dog training club.
I think your dog attacks someone unprovoked, the dog should be euthanized, the people should pay a HEAFTY fine and not be allowed to own dogs for 5 years. Your dog kills someone-dog should be euthanized, you go to jail, you are never allowed to own a dog again.
An example of how "aggressive" pit bulls are:
I have tons more where that came from. Yes what happened to this girl is a horrible horrible tragedy BUT the owners of the dog should be held responsible.
I totally do not believe that BSL works or will ever work. Prevention is the key, prevention of bybs, prevention of puppy mills, prevention of irresponsible owners.
Doberman groups have worked hard to produce dobermans with good temperament as well as good health. They have worked hard to educate why it is important to get your puppy from reputable breeders. They have worked hard in training and earning CGC (canine good citizen titles) to show people how a well bred & trained doberman can be.
People who love bullies need to quit singing the same old song and dance of "don't blame the breed" and show people why they shouldn't be blamed.
Before it is too late.
Doberman groups have worked hard to produce dobermans with good temperament as well as good health. They have worked hard to educate why it is important to get your puppy from reputable breeders. They have worked hard in training and earning CGC (canine good citizen titles) to show people how a well bred & trained doberman can be.
People who love bullies need to quit singing the same old song and dance of "don't blame the breed" and show people why they shouldn't be blamed.
Before it is too late.
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Poms and other small breeds can seriously injure children as well. The bad part is their owners think it is "cute" until the dog does major damage to the child, then it is surrendered to the shelter and 99% of the time it is allowed to be adopted.
Had a dog here who was returned to the shelter, GERMAN SHEPHERD MIX, the family brought it in, the child had stitches all over it's face. I believe it was something like 40 stitches?
http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms...d=2930&purchase_type=ITM&item_id=0286-7405930
http://barkingdogs.net/newsflsanford.shtml
http://www.wesh.com/news/4345160/detail.html -same story has pic of dog though who is obviously a GSD
Holy crap! Look at this one: http://www.thedenverdailynews.com/?page=details&id=4134&t=Archive --let's ban elderly people too.
People are crappy, that is the bottom line. There are SO many murders every year, it seems like the smart thing for us to do in this time and age is to ban or jail certain kinds of people.
White males are usually the serial killers..
If you dont agree with that then you cant really agree with banning a certain breed of dog.
Only difference is in the situation of the dog, it is the OWNERS fault that the dogs are aggressive, in the situation of the murderer, it is THEIR OWN fault. I have heard many a times most serial killers had a perfectly normal, happy childhood.
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I would love suggestions on how to cut back on BYB's? I am not a breeder, I am a rescuer.
I even thought about trying to get the city to have a free class on pit bulls for new pit bull owners. I know they wont do it now, because money is so tight but I would love to see it happen.
I would also like to see classes on how to pick a good breeder, general animal care, maybe even a class for people who arent sure if they should get a pet or not.
I would like to see laws past against ALL Byb's here in my city. Would cut down tons on euthanasias. Dont know if it will happen, is probably a violation of freedom. But if you made a breeder pay $200+ a litter, I doubt many people would do it anymore. I also doubt John Q. Public would leave his mutt dog in tact. Albequrkie (i know i spelled that wrong) has laws like that and they have dramatically reduced the number of euthanasias at their shelter
Problem is people around here (especially in government) could care less about animals. We have high crime rates, and understandably that is what they concentrate on.
How do you get the government intersted? Perhaps sign petitions. How do you find the reps for your state who are animal friendly? I would love to talk to them and see if they would be willing to consider such legislation. We live in one of the worst states for animal welfare. Dog/cock fighting is still a misdamenor. Extremly animal cruelty is also a misdamenor. People have tried & tried & tried to get them to make those a felony but they always get rejected by the voters when they come up on the ballot.
I even thought about trying to get the city to have a free class on pit bulls for new pit bull owners. I know they wont do it now, because money is so tight but I would love to see it happen.
I would also like to see classes on how to pick a good breeder, general animal care, maybe even a class for people who arent sure if they should get a pet or not.
I would like to see laws past against ALL Byb's here in my city. Would cut down tons on euthanasias. Dont know if it will happen, is probably a violation of freedom. But if you made a breeder pay $200+ a litter, I doubt many people would do it anymore. I also doubt John Q. Public would leave his mutt dog in tact. Albequrkie (i know i spelled that wrong) has laws like that and they have dramatically reduced the number of euthanasias at their shelter
Problem is people around here (especially in government) could care less about animals. We have high crime rates, and understandably that is what they concentrate on.
How do you get the government intersted? Perhaps sign petitions. How do you find the reps for your state who are animal friendly? I would love to talk to them and see if they would be willing to consider such legislation. We live in one of the worst states for animal welfare. Dog/cock fighting is still a misdamenor. Extremly animal cruelty is also a misdamenor. People have tried & tried & tried to get them to make those a felony but they always get rejected by the voters when they come up on the ballot.
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My Spudzy has a story behind him.... I rebelled when I turned 18 years old and went against my dad's wishes to buy a pit bull. I thought they were cool, so I brought one home from this "huge" puppymiller in Lancaster that got "busted", I paid $270.00 for him and had 9 litters to choose from. I looked at every single pit bull there and chose the one with the figure eight on his back. I was the happiest person in the world. Spudzy is now 15 years old and not in the best of health. He never harmed a living being. Never.
My Spudzy has a story behind him.... I rebelled when I turned 18 years old and went against my dad's wishes to buy a pit bull. I thought they were cool, so I brought one home from this "huge" puppymiller in Lancaster that got "busted", I paid $270.00 for him and had 9 litters to choose from. I looked at every single pit bull there and chose the one with the figure eight on his back. I was the happiest person in the world. Spudzy is now 15 years old and not in the best of health. He never harmed a living being. Never.
My Spudzy has a story behind him.... I rebelled when I turned 18 years old and went against my dad's wishes to buy a pit bull. I thought they were cool, so I brought one home from this "huge" puppymiller in Lancaster that got "busted", I paid $270.00 for him and had 9 litters to choose from. I looked at every single pit bull there and chose the one with the figure eight on his back. I was the happiest person in the world. Spudzy is now 15 years old and not in the best of health. He never harmed a living being. Never.
The facts are the dog should've been killed & it was. The parents & the uncle should be in jail for at least 20 years for negligent manslaughter. And that we need to actually be out in our communities preaching & teaching dog bite prevention instead of sitting on our asses eating cake & ice cream & screaming "Ban the Pit Bulls! Ban the Rottweilers! Ban the Doberman Pinchshers!" & slapping ourselves on the back for "solving" the problem.
I thought, maybe, this was worth a look, for those who think Pit Bulls are human aggressive no matter what and they are all to be considered a threat (oh please!):
http://pitbulls.iwarp.com/images/baby.jpg
And even more:
http://pitbulls.iwarp.com/images/oreosle.jpg
http://pitbulls.iwarp.com/images/baby.jpg
http://pitbulls.iwarp.com/images/halang.jpg
http://pitbulls.iwarp.com/images/197faab0.jpg
http://pitbulls.iwarp.com/images/0e0ffaa0.jpg
http://pitbulls.iwarp.com/images/chyka.jpg
http://pitbulls.iwarp.com/images/tysmoo.jpg
http://pitbulls.iwarp.com/images/duke_017.jpg
http://www.strongerthanall.net/00nw-untitled000.jpg
http://www.strongerthanall.net/00nw-GIRLNKAOS.jpg
http://www.strongerthanall.net/0000nw-melissa-n-checkers-o.jpg
http://www.strongerthanall.net/toni-and-cali.jpg
http://www.strongerthanall.net/00nw-nikkilove.jpg
Pictures are worth a thousand words, and there's plenty of words here that are positive. Hopefully this will prove to anyone who is keeping up with this thread and buying into some of the negative things here that not all of these dogs are bad, and that most of them make amazing family pets.
And also that dog aggression can be dealt with VERY easily, it is NOT a death sentence for ANYONE unless the OWNER doesn't control their dog around other dogs, and it DOES NOT directly lead to human aggression.
http://pitbulls.iwarp.com/images/baby.jpg
And even more:
http://pitbulls.iwarp.com/images/oreosle.jpg
http://pitbulls.iwarp.com/images/baby.jpg
http://pitbulls.iwarp.com/images/halang.jpg
http://pitbulls.iwarp.com/images/197faab0.jpg
http://pitbulls.iwarp.com/images/0e0ffaa0.jpg
http://pitbulls.iwarp.com/images/chyka.jpg
http://pitbulls.iwarp.com/images/tysmoo.jpg
http://pitbulls.iwarp.com/images/duke_017.jpg
http://www.strongerthanall.net/00nw-untitled000.jpg
http://www.strongerthanall.net/00nw-GIRLNKAOS.jpg
http://www.strongerthanall.net/0000nw-melissa-n-checkers-o.jpg
http://www.strongerthanall.net/toni-and-cali.jpg
http://www.strongerthanall.net/00nw-nikkilove.jpg
Pictures are worth a thousand words, and there's plenty of words here that are positive. Hopefully this will prove to anyone who is keeping up with this thread and buying into some of the negative things here that not all of these dogs are bad, and that most of them make amazing family pets.
And also that dog aggression can be dealt with VERY easily, it is NOT a death sentence for ANYONE unless the OWNER doesn't control their dog around other dogs, and it DOES NOT directly lead to human aggression.
Would that we could get parents to attend parenting classes, and for the most part those who need it most won't attend. Paid for by taxpayers besides. Our schools perform in the dismal category on learning overall in comparison to Europe and the Far East. USA is something like 27th. Our schools have become seminar headquarters, luncheonettes, hotels and health care and counseling clinics. Who has time to learn anything anymore? We can't even teach our kids to read at a respectable percentage and we are going to add dog care and prevention to the mix. Asking taxpayers to pay for it is going to be out of the question, particularly at a local level. In the best of all worlds, with unlimited money and no grumbling taxpayers, huge police forces and perfect families who live together, parents knowing where all their kids are, laugh together, study together, watch over each other, hug now and then and care about the community, as well as take six months themselves to decide on a dog and learn how to train it, all of these ideas might fly. If you find a spot like this please let me know so I can move there right away.
Edit: I should qualify my last sentence and say if you can find an URBAN spot, which is where most people dwell and where dogs are most likely to be found running at large, right along with kids.
Edit: I should qualify my last sentence and say if you can find an URBAN spot, which is where most people dwell and where dogs are most likely to be found running at large, right along with kids.
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It can be difficult at best since "pitt bulls" aren't really a recognized breed, you don't have the AKC to stand with you, I know the UKC recognizes them, I don't know enough about the breed to know if you have kennel clubs or Pittie clubs but if you do have clubs and organizations for them that is a good place to start. If you don't, try to get one started, you know how to use the computer, as many of them as there are, your club could be huge!
It will take years to undo what has been done, but if you don't start they will have no future at all. (never said it would be an easy road, it hasn't been for the doberman either)
And I really like your idea of fining per litter, I think it would need to be more than $200.00, most idiots would figure, sell 2 puppies = pay for the fine.
Lastly, I do feel for the child and hope she was not concious, I also feel for the grandmother who tried and couldn't help. The mom & dad, I am not sure what to feel, the Uncle totally needs to cool his heels in jail and think about his niece!
It will take years to undo what has been done, but if you don't start they will have no future at all. (never said it would be an easy road, it hasn't been for the doberman either)
And I really like your idea of fining per litter, I think it would need to be more than $200.00, most idiots would figure, sell 2 puppies = pay for the fine.
Lastly, I do feel for the child and hope she was not concious, I also feel for the grandmother who tried and couldn't help. The mom & dad, I am not sure what to feel, the Uncle totally needs to cool his heels in jail and think about his niece!
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