Faye, to be perfectly honest, I have decided to wash my hands of the whole situation. I absolutely deplore Kathie and her breeding practices, but I don't really feel that I want anything else to do with any of this. I hope you and Pene are able to do something about Kathie and are able to stop her from abusing and neglecting any more dogs, and I really wish you both the best of luck, but I really don't want to be involved anymore. Good luck......Tracy