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Bobsk8

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I know that this question was for Grammy but I have to answer for myself and say that yes, of course the door is locked. It's locked for safety. Why use a crate instead of a dog bed if you're not using it for safety and confinement?:confused:

I have 5 dogs Bobsk8. One is 85 lbs. and the other 3 are under 10 lbs. There is no way that I would leave a 1.3 lb. dog and a 15 year old (3 lb.) dog who stumbles and falls often, out and running around while I'm away. The other 2 brussels were crate trained due to Sep. Anx. issues that they had when they arrived and as a trainer I KNOW that their crate training has made them feel much more secure.

Many dog with Sep. Anx. issues are much safer and much happier in a crate due to the stressful pacing and distructive behavior that accompanies that particular problem.

I have 4 crates but usually allow my dogs to double up (their choice) unless I'm providing a kong treat in which case they are seperated. I have never left a dog in a crate for more than 3 hours at a time during the daytime hours. At night time, my dogs file into their crates as they get tired...their choice entirely. Actually, if the door to Amos's crate is closed when he wants to get in, he'll open it, jump in and close it behind him.;)

I don't know how else to say it other than that you are wrong about this being unkind or cruel. My dogs LOVE their crates. I'm finding the arguements against proper crating just silly. They ARE safe, they ARE NOT unkind, when used properly they're a great way to ensure safety AND COMFORT for your dog while your away for short periods.

Any method of confinement, crating, outdoor dog run, tie outs....all of them can be abused but no one is suggesting that crating for long periods is a good thing.
I am thinking more in terms of in excess of 8 hours in the crate, which I have heard from several people that I know, is the way they handle their dogs.
 

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Yes, I lock my kennel .....otherwise he'd be loose in the house . He gets into too much trouble when I'm not home . I've tried a tie out when I'm working on front gardens...............he didn't last a minute without freaking out .
 

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I am thinking more in terms of in excess of 8 hours in the crate, which I have heard from several people that I know, is the way they handle their dogs.
If you look, NOBODY Here agrees with leaving a dog in a create for extended periods of time. That has been repeated multiple times.

There are proper ways to use a crate, as in with training.

Chains hold TOO many risks. Risks that you cannot avoid unless you are at the dog's side the entire time. Crates, WHEN USED PROPERLY, do not hold a risk. They are a great training tool, and can eliminate the need for a chain completely.

Stupid people should NOT own dogs. If you don't understand that crates have a proper way of being used, and choose to use them in the wrong way, or only view them as being the wrong way, then you shouldn't expect much and probably need to get out a little more. Chaining has studies to prove it is dangerous, even when "used properly" (which I would love to know how it is proper to use a chain).
 

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Pancho, you keep saying that chains and tie outs can be used properly. Could you please give an example?
I do not use either crates, chains, or cable runs. I can try to explain how many others I have seen use them.

Any dog on a cable run or chain should be inside a fenced area. That is the one of the most important things. Each dog should be trained to the leash and should have chain training. Each dog should have ample room. Each dog should have the proper collar fitted right. The chain should be in good shape and the right size for the dog. There should not be any free running dog or any other animal in the enclosure. The dog should have adequate food and water in such a place the chain cannot spill or become entangled.. The dog should have protection from rain, wind, sun, etc. The area of the chain should be free of anything the chain could catch on. There should be swivels at both ends of the chain. The anchor should be constructed so the chain does not become entangled. All equipment should be inspected each time the dog is chained including the collar, chain, swivels, anchor.

The cable run should be treated the same as the chain but it has more room for the dog to exercise. Cable runs can be short as 25-50 ft or as long as several hundred feet.

I am sure I have forgotten something but this is the basic way a dog should be chained.

I feel the chain or cable run done right will allow the dog more exercise, fresh air, and more freedon than a crate. All of the dogs I have seen enjoy these quite a bit more than a crate. That is just my opinion and what I have seen.
Those who use a crate will never agree and those who use a chain or cable run will never agree. Everyone thinks they are right or they would change what they are doing. Each person should do what is best for their dog.

The cable run or chain should not be used for the small lap dogs.

I will repeat, I do not use either cable run, chains, or crates.
 
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Well, at the risk of a public flogging, I think it sucks. If you've got a dog that escapes crates and kennels, you can't chain it while you're at work, because the 3-hour time limit would require you to come home twice during a normal work shift. Yay for more government with less consideration for certain groups of people, like the working dog owner with an escape artist dog.

Funny. I emailed the Governator in opposition of this law, and got a form letter back thanking me for supporting it. Nice to know our voices are being heard.
 
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Pancho, you keep saying that chains and tie outs can be used properly. Could you please give an example?
I am not Pancho, but I used a chain for a while to contain a high-energy, fence-jumping Lab beast of a foster/boarder.

A proper chain setup should be sufficient length and strength, with the swivels. The area should be kept free of branches and things that can get caught in the chain. Poop should be cleaned up regularly. There should be access to shade, water and shelter. And the setup should be in a place where the dog is not subject to teasing or other abuses from any passersby.
 
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Well, at the risk of a public flogging, I think it sucks. If you've got a dog that escapes crates and kennels, you can't chain it while you're at work, because the 3-hour time limit would require you to come home twice during a normal work shift. Yay for more government with less consideration for certain groups of people, like the working dog owner with an escape artist dog.

Funny. I emailed the Governator in opposition of this law, and got a form letter back thanking me for supporting it. Nice to know our voices are being heard.
And you were expecting ???????
 
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If a situation were ever to arise where I for some reason could not allow my dogs free run of the yard and had to confine them, I would go for an outdoor kennel. Safer than a chain, but with a lot more freedom to move about than with a crate.
Admirable, but outdoor kennels are also exponentially more expensive than a chain. And they wont contain all dogs, particularly those that dig or chew on chain link. I had to leave behind a kennel that I spent about $400 on, and moved into a place with an incomplete fence. Building another kennel is way out of the budget.

I feel like dog owners should be free to choose which containment works best for their dog, their circumstances, and their financial ability.
 
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MY opinions on why crates are better than chains safety wise for people who fail to see the difference:

While crated safely inside my home my dog is not going to (within reasonable circumstances):

attack someone
be poisoned
Become entangled in the chain and break a leg
be stolen
pose a nuisance to the neighbors
be exposed to the elements
bark excessively due to boredom or stimulation by outside activity
be attacked by another animal/stung or bitten by insects
be teased/have rocks thrown at/be shot at with BB's by neighborhood kids
Injure her neck by lunging or pulling on the chain
Break the chain and run free

My crates have always been set-up with the doors open and the dogs always willingly went into them when they wanted, which was quite often. They were very relaxed and unstressed and did not object to it at all.

Yes, there is a responsible manner and an irresponsible manner when it comes to using crates.

And I do believe in some circumstances, tethering a dog can be done correctly. IF the dog is supervised, IF the weather is proper, IF the tethered dog is not in danger or being attacked by a free roaming area, IF you are not using this as the dogs sole means of exercise/play. Tethering should never be meant as the main source of confinement for the dog.

As always, my opinion. :)
 

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The same could be said with crates. What is properly about a crate, you stuff the dog in it and go.

Unless you are setting with your dog every minute it is in the crate, you cannot guarantee it will not break out of the crate, get caught in the crate, become a victim of house fires, even children can tease and torture the dog who is trapped inside of the crate.

Actually it's not as safe for a dog to be loose in a house fire. It's safer to be in a crate or even a single closed off room. Firefighters will have an easier time finding your dog if he/she is contained, instead of scared and hiding or running from room to room. The fact that my GSD races me to the crate when it's time for her go in there I hardly stuff her in there and go. She even goes in there at night, without me telling her to...that's where she prefers to be. When I get ready to leave the house if she's not going with me, she runs to her crate. I don't have kids, so no need to worry about tourting my dog...
 

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I do not use either crates, chains, or cable runs. I can try to explain how many others I have seen use them.

Any dog on a cable run or chain should be inside a fenced area. That is the one of the most important things. Each dog should be trained to the leash and should have chain training. Each dog should have ample room. Each dog should have the proper collar fitted right. The chain should be in good shape and the right size for the dog. There should not be any free running dog or any other animal in the enclosure. The dog should have adequate food and water in such a place the chain cannot spill or become entangled.. The dog should have protection from rain, wind, sun, etc. The area of the chain should be free of anything the chain could catch on. There should be swivels at both ends of the chain. The anchor should be constructed so the chain does not become entangled. All equipment should be inspected each time the dog is chained including the collar, chain, swivels, anchor.

The cable run should be treated the same as the chain but it has more room for the dog to exercise. Cable runs can be short as 25-50 ft or as long as several hundred feet.

I am sure I have forgotten something but this is the basic way a dog should be chained.

I feel the chain or cable run done right will allow the dog more exercise, fresh air, and more freedon than a crate. All of the dogs I have seen enjoy these quite a bit more than a crate. That is just my opinion and what I have seen.
Those who use a crate will never agree and those who use a chain or cable run will never agree. Everyone thinks they are right or they would change what they are doing. Each person should do what is best for their dog.

The cable run or chain should not be used for the small lap dogs.

I will repeat, I do not use either cable run, chains, or crates.

What about those of us that don't feel it's safe enough to leave a dog chained out in a secure fenced yard? There are still people who can tourture or steal your dog, posion your dog, other animals that can in the yard with your dog. Why would you want to even take that chance with your animal?
 

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What about those of us that don't feel it's safe enough to leave a dog chained out in a secure fenced yard? There are still people who can tourture or steal your dog, posion your dog, other animals that can in the yard with your dog. Why would you want to even take that chance with your animal?
That is a choice every pet owner has to make. They should do what they think is the best for them and their dog. A person should not decide for me how I should contain my dog, same as I should not decide how you should contain your dog.
The same thing that can happen to a dog chained in your yard can happen to a dog crated in your house.
People will always make up an excuse to do what they want to do. If they want to crate their dog they will make excuses so they can feel better about it.
If a person wants to chain their dog they will make excuses so they can feel better doing what they want to do.

I do not do either and do not plan on doing either.

If you live in an area where you have to worry about people stealing or poisoning your dog it is time to move to a safer area. If your dog will accept poison from a strange person you need to spend a little more time training your dog.
 

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That is a choice every pet owner has to make. They should do what they think is the best for them and their dog. A person should not decide for me how I should contain my dog, same as I should not decide how you should contain your dog.
The same thing that can happen to a dog chained in your yard can happen to a dog crated in your house.
People will always make up an excuse to do what they want to do. If they want to crate their dog they will make excuses so they can feel better about it.
If a person wants to chain their dog they will make excuses so they can feel better doing what they want to do.

I do not do either and do not plan on doing either.

If you live in an area where you have to worry about people stealing or poisoning your dog it is time to move to a safer area. If your dog will accept poison from a strange person you need to spend a little more time training your dog.

As was previously posted these things can happen in a crate? :confused:

attack someone
be poisoned
Become entangled in the chain and break a leg
be stolen
pose a nuisance to the neighbors
be exposed to the elements
bark excessively due to boredom or stimulation by outside activity
be attacked by another animal/stung or bitten by insects
be teased/have rocks thrown at/be shot at with BB's by neighborhood kids
Injure her neck by lunging or pulling on the chain
Break the chain and run free
 
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People will always make up an excuse to do what they want to do. If they want to crate their dog they will make excuses so they can feel better about


I doNOT make up an excuse to keep my dog safe. I will do what I need to do to keep my dog safe, and if you or anyone else thinks that is an excuse, then that is a very warped way of seeing things.

I don't NEED to do ANYTHING to feel better about crating my dog. She is safe, happy and properly contained. She is not harmed by the idiots who let their dogs run amock, she's not harming anyone or their pets, and not posing a nuisance to any one. She's not in danger of being shot, stolen, poisoned, attacked, injured, etc.

What's your opinion on seatbelts? Child seats? Are those excuses?
 

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That is a choice every pet owner has to make. They should do what they think is the best for them and their dog. A person should not decide for me how I should contain my dog, same as I should not decide how you should contain your dog.
The same thing that can happen to a dog chained in your yard can happen to a dog crated in your house.
People will always make up an excuse to do what they want to do. If they want to crate their dog they will make excuses so they can feel better about it.
If a person wants to chain their dog they will make excuses so they can feel better doing what they want to do.

I do not do either and do not plan on doing either.

If you live in an area where you have to worry about people stealing or poisoning your dog it is time to move to a safer area. If your dog will accept poison from a strange person you need to spend a little more time training your dog.


I live in an area that is safe to leave dogs out...however there are people out there that would poison a dog just because. Don't tell me it's time to move to a safer area...that's a bunch of bs...You can be in the safest place in the world and still have problems. A dog doesn't have to take food from a stranger to be poisoned...what about the ever popular antifreeze in the watebowl or even where I live in the country, with mountain lions? Explain to me how some one is going to posion my dog in my house, I seriously doubt some one would break into myhouse just to poison my dogs? or how about a mountain lion is going to get to my dogs indoors? This is not an excuse that I make to keep my dogs indoors in a crate where they are safe from sick people who hurt animals, or other wild animals looking for an easy lunch.
 

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We crate and our dogs love it. We used to let the two of them roam the house, but Lilly's bladder control is not what it used to be, so we returned to crating them. Both of them run to their crates and seem quite contented with it. Neither is in the crate for an extended period, only and hour or so at a time, except at night.
We used to to tether them for an hour or so during the day if the weather was nice so they could air out a little, but then the neighbors Rott kept getting loose, so that was the end of that.
The only tethering law we have here is that the chain can not outweigh the dog. Too many people using those massive chains to train fighting pits.
 
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What about the dogs who eat their way out of crates? Bigger question: Why should it be the guvmint's decision how I contain my dog as long as its effective?
 

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