Baby & dog video...thoughts?
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My take away from this thread is that some people don't think kids and dogs belong together in the same household.
I don't think the video shows ignorant dog owners or dog mauling babies being poorly managed by their parents.
I think that some of the sentiments expressed in the thread were a bit silly and alarmist, but I grew up with dogs and I have dogs and kids in the same house and I'm alive and my kid is still alive so maybe I'm just one of the lucky ones.
I don't think the video shows ignorant dog owners or dog mauling babies being poorly managed by their parents.
I think that some of the sentiments expressed in the thread were a bit silly and alarmist, but I grew up with dogs and I have dogs and kids in the same house and I'm alive and my kid is still alive so maybe I'm just one of the lucky ones.
On a serious note...
This picture is a good example of context meaning so much. Knowing the dog involved, knowing the situation, etc.
Ivy LOOKS unhappy and stressed being hugged. This looks like a case of parent/owner not paying close attention and teaching bad manners etc.
However, I can tell you Ivy initiates these hugs...and did initiate this one in fact. They were both looking right at the camera and Ivy had a very relaxed and open face right before a snapped the picture. But, right as I went to take it a big gust of wind blew up and Ivy turned to avoid it, tightening her face and mouth, pulling her ears back.
Videos sometimes show us very scary situations As someone who really advocates safe dog and children interactions I am often appalled at the things I see. HOWEVER, we, as advocates, can't cry wolf. Seeing horror and bad endings in every single snippet of dog and child interactions is going to cause people to stop listening.
This picture is a good example of context meaning so much. Knowing the dog involved, knowing the situation, etc.
Ivy LOOKS unhappy and stressed being hugged. This looks like a case of parent/owner not paying close attention and teaching bad manners etc.
However, I can tell you Ivy initiates these hugs...and did initiate this one in fact. They were both looking right at the camera and Ivy had a very relaxed and open face right before a snapped the picture. But, right as I went to take it a big gust of wind blew up and Ivy turned to avoid it, tightening her face and mouth, pulling her ears back.
Videos sometimes show us very scary situations As someone who really advocates safe dog and children interactions I am often appalled at the things I see. HOWEVER, we, as advocates, can't cry wolf. Seeing horror and bad endings in every single snippet of dog and child interactions is going to cause people to stop listening.
All of this.
I actually feel really bad for the dog - it looks like he's trying to communicate with the adults that they should shut the kid up. I'm amazed at his restraint, as if those are "normal" baby sounds, parents are saints for putting up with them. If I was a dog that kid would have been snapped at. (And in either dog or human form, I shouldn't be allowed in a household with children. :rofl1
I actually feel really bad for the dog - it looks like he's trying to communicate with the adults that they should shut the kid up. I'm amazed at his restraint, as if those are "normal" baby sounds, parents are saints for putting up with them. If I was a dog that kid would have been snapped at. (And in either dog or human form, I shouldn't be allowed in a household with children. :rofl1
DD, on the serious, we get that you don't like kids. We get that you have serious trust / anxiety, etc issues. But I KNOW I'm not the only one tired of you coming into EVERY kid related thread and spewing nonsense about children that has nearly NOTHING to do with the original subject... I mean, really, did you even watch the video? There ARE those of us here who absolutely LOVE our kids (Do I like other people's kids? no, but I can AVOID them without saying nasty things about them).
I watched the video on my phone so I MAY have missed some things, but I didn't see any tell tale signs that the dog was stressed / thinking of biting / had no escape etc.
Winnie is almost three. She is NOT ALLOWED to do anything other than nicely pet the dogs, and cuddle with Percy if HE initiates it, because he does, and often. Not all parents are too stupid to have kids and dogs in the same house. Trust me.
I watched the video on my phone so I MAY have missed some things, but I didn't see any tell tale signs that the dog was stressed / thinking of biting / had no escape etc.
Winnie is almost three. She is NOT ALLOWED to do anything other than nicely pet the dogs, and cuddle with Percy if HE initiates it, because he does, and often. Not all parents are too stupid to have kids and dogs in the same house. Trust me.
I'm not reading the entire thread yet, just wanted to post my first opinion. I think the video is hilarious, the kid shows amazing restraint (reaching out towards the dog but not actually touching) and Murphy throws all of those same calming signals when he is singing with us. Lip licking, ear flicks, yawning, looking away, all of them. That dog could (and did eventually) walk away anytime. This is one of the few dog/kid videos I don't have a problem with, I thought it was cute and funny.
ETA: The only thing I would work on (and this is on my mind because I need to do it with Tipper) is the eye contact thing. Toddlers/babies really like to stare at things and I saw a couple of quick look aways when the dog and baby made extended eye contact.
ETA: The only thing I would work on (and this is on my mind because I need to do it with Tipper) is the eye contact thing. Toddlers/babies really like to stare at things and I saw a couple of quick look aways when the dog and baby made extended eye contact.
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Yeah, I think that there are a few posters who just flat out don't like kids and don't have any sympathy for children or parents. I've blocked a few people who get on my nerves in that way, because they frustrate me as much as children frustrate them (ad naseum- enough already!!!).
I feel it's mostly women in their mid twenties who are probably being tired of hearing that they have to have kids to be fufilled, so they just take out their ire in the only way they can; anonymously on a chat forum for dogs who they relate to better then they can relate to humans, especially humans who have children.
Makes me a little sad for them, but to each his or her own.
Reminds me a bit of my neighbor who lives alone with 25 cats and is rude to pretty much everyone in the neighborhood. It's like, "Ok, We get that you want to be left alone. We wouldn't bother acknowledging your existence except for the fact that your cats keep getting in our trash."
I feel it's mostly women in their mid twenties who are probably being tired of hearing that they have to have kids to be fufilled, so they just take out their ire in the only way they can; anonymously on a chat forum for dogs who they relate to better then they can relate to humans, especially humans who have children.
Makes me a little sad for them, but to each his or her own.
Reminds me a bit of my neighbor who lives alone with 25 cats and is rude to pretty much everyone in the neighborhood. It's like, "Ok, We get that you want to be left alone. We wouldn't bother acknowledging your existence except for the fact that your cats keep getting in our trash."
I actually feel really bad for the dog - it looks like he's trying to communicate with the adults that they should shut the kid up. I'm amazed at his restraint, as if those are "normal" baby sounds, parents are saints for putting up with them. If I was a dog that kid would have been snapped at. (And in either dog or human form, I shouldn't be allowed in a household with children. :rofl1
I'd also like to point out that they've probably had that dog since the baby was born (kid was probably...8 months old?) and I'm sure the dog is pretty well immune to random kid noises. My dogs got over the baby crying after a couple weeks, even Murphy who HATES shrieking noises will now stay in the room and just look bored if the baby is melting down. Dogs are waaaaay more adaptable than we give them credit for.
Arnold howled when I played certain songs on the radio. He also would come in the room and stand there like this dog. If he disliked something he would leave.
Sometimes dogs just want to talk, it doesn't have to mean they are fragile creatures loathing their life and needing rescue by Internet bloggers.
Sometimes dogs just want to talk, it doesn't have to mean they are fragile creatures loathing their life and needing rescue by Internet bloggers.
I don't have a problem with responsible parents with well behaved kids who manage them (Sparks' little girl Hannah comes to mind), but the ones who refuse to rein in or be a parent? Yeah ... hate them. Because not only is it annoying, but it is a safety issue for everyone, esp the child.
I also think that some people don't realize that they are responsible for creating another member of society & they are responsible for teaching them to get along in society.
I also think that some people don't realize that they are responsible for creating another member of society & they are responsible for teaching them to get along in society.
The issue is who makes you the judge and jury? Do you have a crystal ball that lets you see into the future to know how these kids are turning out OR lets you see the child's every day life to know the snippet you are seeing is the norm?
My children I am sure sometimes come across as terrors in public. They are NOT allowed to run around in restaurants, be obnoxious, etc BUT my daughter does still have some issues with getting anxious and it manifests as what LOOKs like extremely rude behavior. And yes, technically its rude but its NOT for the reasons one would assume seeing it. My son, yeah, he has different issues that if you see him on a bad day or in a weird situation one could ASSume a lot.
My children I am sure sometimes come across as terrors in public. They are NOT allowed to run around in restaurants, be obnoxious, etc BUT my daughter does still have some issues with getting anxious and it manifests as what LOOKs like extremely rude behavior. And yes, technically its rude but its NOT for the reasons one would assume seeing it. My son, yeah, he has different issues that if you see him on a bad day or in a weird situation one could ASSume a lot.
My Shelties would howl along to all sorts of things including certain songs (a very merry unbirthday from Alice in wonderland was a favorite) and also me playin my clarinet. I remember when Josie was born (we are over 11 years apart) Nikki would sit next to Josie and howl when Josie would cry. I think she was being a nanny dog in her own mind. Nikki was a bitch in many ways but she always adored her kids.
I'm very glad we had dogs growing up.
I'm very glad we had dogs growing up.
I could also use my little brother as an example. Extremely rare disease that was so rare he was 1 of 30 in the world with it when we finally even figured out what it was in his early teens. He had a severe stroke at two, very behind mentally, and especially when he was young was on very high doses of steroids to keep him alive...but steroids and the other issues cause major anger and impulse control issues. I dont know how many times we had to leave a store with him kicking and screaming about a toy, or wanting something different, or whatever. Or sometimes, after a really trying day, or a near death experience, prolonged hospital stay, etc my mom may have given in. She may have just gone ahead and gotten whatever he was having a fit about just so we could all have a couple moments of peace or finish or shopping.
Bad parenting to you?? A parent you "hate"??
Bad parenting to you?? A parent you "hate"??
Of course the mentally / physically challenged & disabled excite more empathy for all involved. But I think you know what "kind" of parent I am referencing. a lot of folks (again, this may be subject to location) have children without thinking about just how much work it will be.
I also have read (maybe on here, I don't remember) where others actually told someone who's life / financial situation wasn't entirely ideal for children, to "just go for it". But I see them say the complete opposite when someone whose life / financial situation isn't ideal for a dog that they should "wait until things are more stable" ... I am sorry but WTH ???
I also have read (maybe on here, I don't remember) where others actually told someone who's life / financial situation wasn't entirely ideal for children, to "just go for it". But I see them say the complete opposite when someone whose life / financial situation isn't ideal for a dog that they should "wait until things are more stable" ... I am sorry but WTH ???