I'd heard of ear pinch, but toe pinch?

Emily, you are a ****ing genius! Awesome post, i hope some read it, and re-read it and if it hasn't sunk in read it again till it does.

I do wonder how you pinch collar and e-collar lot would fare over here where they are as rare as hen's teeth.

Srsly.

I do wonder how you pinch collar and e-collar lot would fare over here where they are as rare as hen's teeth.

Srsly.

LOL!!! I'm not a genius, just crabby. :rofl1:

Same way it's dealt with over there. You buy and use under the radar.

I don't wonder. I'd find another way and get on with it.

Rubbish. Sorry, but total tripe, as we also say over here.

I am not sure where you pulled that gem from Now, real answer please?

No, wait.......... most don't USE them

Choke chains are still available widely, most trainers will not use. Most numpty joe's on the street will contemplate, but they aren't as popular by even a smidge.

Perfecto! *applause*

Now....... in that case..... why DON'T people.

It aint that hard.

This. 1000x over.

You know, there's one trainer at a local club who's "positive only". He's obsessed with Ian Dunbar, he hits up lots of seminars, blah blah blah, "very educated", I'm sure. He crabs at other club members for occasionally using collar corrections, and he once asked me why I was using a pinch collar (and no, I didn't give a single collar correction in the ring) at a correction clinic. None of his god **** business is why. Why does he have a freaking face yanker on his dog?

I went up against him and his FCR in a Rally Advanced B class, and we CREAMED him. They scored an 84, we scored a 100. I saw his round. There was no contest. His dog was not just unfocused, the dog was ... poorly trained. Unclear on cues, and offering inconsistent responses, very poor stimulus differentiation - no one, the dog included, seemed to know exactly what would make the dog sit, down, stand, etc.

Not a fluke. Happened AGAIN - in fact, happened at all 3 of our Rally trials. We trounced them every time we went up against them, and one round they barely even Q'd.

Perfecto! *applause*

Now....... in that case..... why DON'T people.

It aint that hard.

.....because people don't use them so you can see them mean they don't at all? Yeah, just like no one uses dogs for hunting game that's been outlawed. Just because it's illegal doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

But, I avoid living in places that would dictate something like that so honestly it's rather irrelevant for me.

I'm sorry but this left a horrid taste in my mouth. Are you happy you "creamed" him? Does that prove your worth? .......... My dog's score and joy in the ring is my success, not watching other people fail.

You know, the overall and everyday enjoyment is from just the relationship and time spent with my animals. The hard work, the failures, the success everything is why I do what I do.

But sometimes, yes, there is a nice feeling that comes along with beating some mouthy know-it-all that always has an opinion about how you're doing things and isn't afraid to let you and everyone know why you are wrong. If you dont' find any satisfaction in that, I'd think you were a bit odd.

I'm sorry but this left a horrid taste in my mouth. Are you happy you "creamed" him? Does that prove your worth? What happened to giving the benefit of the doubt to people? Maybe his dog has anxiety in stressful situations such as in the ring? Maybe it was his dog's first trial? Maybe he suffers from anxieties in the ring and his dog is reading on it?

I'm not one for debating other people's training methods anymore, lost too much sleep trying to convert people to my way of thinking. I realized that the only way they are ever going to change is by figuring it out themselves and hopefully one day coming to me for help when they are stuck. Until then, I will congratulate their accomplishments and support their failures. My dog's score and joy in the ring is my success, not watching other people fail.

Oh I may find some inward satisfaction but I wouldn't go bragging about it and using it as fact in an arguement about training methods. Especially since it just supports what one PR trainer/dog team did. Kind of like saying "My ice cubes sunk in my water glass this morning, therefor all ice cubes must sink".

They're not illegal

.....because people don't use them so you can see them mean they don't at all?

I hate requoting myself about as much as I hate passive aggressive smileys



I didn't say either way if anything other than hunting certain game with dogs is legal or illegal. Just that things happen behind the scenes all the time.

Both his dogs have ring anxiety? He has ring anxiety after 20+ years of competing? Maybe... I guess.

Wow, you sure pulled a lot from that, Sara.... Now I'm the one cackling ringside at other people's failures? Hardly. Please. I have many friends that compete against regularly. Ask one of them what happened when I was accidentally given a blue ribbon that belonged to her. One of my favorite things about sports where you have to qualify is that EVERYONE can succeed.

That said, if you criticize my training methods, and if you consistently and noisily assert that you're a better trainer with better methods than those around you, you'd BETTER put up or shut up. And in this case, the "put up" was mediocre at best. And honestly, I wasn't satisfied so much as surprised by how ironic it was.

But I've seen his dogs in training, not in the ring, and they're not any better anyway.