The vet doesnt know whats wrong

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my partner and I recently bought a 8 week old pedigree staff. the day after we bought her we noticed she was doing this weird thing, she doesnt do it all the time maybe 5-10 times a day; she'll be playing or walking or sitting normally then all of a sudden she seems to lose her balance, her head tilts to one side on she kinda leans to one side, same side that the head tilts to, some times she'll fall over, if she does she tends to stay where shes fallen, other times she'll jsut walk or run around tilting to one side, her head always stays tilted when shes havin one of these turns. We took her to the Vets straight away, they thought it was an inner ear infection and gave us antibiotics and steriods, and told us to come back in a week. She's had all her tablets and is still doing it, we've taken her back to the vets and they've said they've never seen anything like it. they thought it may have been vestibular syndrome but the steriods would have sorted that out. we have to take her to see a specialist now and its going to cost us £600 to £1200! We have insurance, but i really dont trust insurance companies, Im sure they wont pay out, especially since we took her to the vets the day after the insurance policy was taken out. We really dont know what to do, she's fine in herslef, she never whines or yelps when it happens. Has anything like this ever happend to any one else? :confused:
 

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You need to go to a neurologist...this defiantly seems like a neurological problem. I knew one dog with a severe head tilt, but he was older around 7 or 8 I think??? He had a brain tumor and your pup seems WAY too young for that. Good luck and keep us posted please. :(
 
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Thanks, thats the specialist we have an appointment with, a neurologist. Its actually in a University that trains Vets here in Britain. Im so scared its going to be something serious, we've only had her 11 days and we've fallen in love with her. We've spoken to the breeder and he asures us that he didnt notice her doing this when she was born, but her and her parents were kept outside in a big dog shed, so he would have only seen her when he fed them. The insurance company have told us that if the breeder took her to a vet when she was born and the vet told him she had something wrong with her, and he didnt tell us, then we're not covered by the policy! as its counted as an existing illness. Im trying to get hold of the breeder now, to find out before we go to the neurologist tuesday.
 

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I am so sorry to hear about your pooch, but I will tell you that my great dane had a serious neurological problem...so we thought. No regular vet could figure out what was wrong with him. We took him to the neurologist and he took one look at him and asked us about his history and knew what was wrong right away. My dog recovered nicely and was back to normal in a matter of weeks. I will say that it seems the neurologists really know their stuff because they see these problems everyday whereas a regular vet sees these problems only on occasion.

On another note, I would be somewhat nervous about the breeder you got your pup from. A shed or any place outside of the home is a horrible place to raise a litter of puppies. If your breeder was a reputable breeder they would offer to take your puppy back or refund or money, or replace the puppy etc. They would be SO concerned that you are going through what you are that they would want to know what is wrong for the sake of their breeding program. They should be calling you constantly for updates etc. If this pup was reared in a shed, chances are this breeder was unaware of the problem, or is covering up the fact that he/she knew. Regardless, you have not had your pup very long and it's symptoms sound serious. I would take this issue very seriously and not let your breeder slide through it. I know you love your pup and my heart goes out to you, but sometimes the right thing to do is the hardest thing to do. :(
 

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This is a website for a list of genetic health problems in the Amstaff. There is a neurological condition that sounds VERY familiar to what you are describing. Please go to this link and scroll down to where is starts at HEALTH PROBLEMS and read...good luck :( I would be particularly concerned with SPINOCEREBELLER OR HERDITARY ATAXIA
http://www.canadasguidetodogs.com/staffordshire.htm#health
 
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IF that were a reputable breeder, he would be earnestly concerned about what was wrong with your pup - and would have both parents being checked to see which one carried the gene if it turns out to be a genetic problem - AND would have that parent spayed or neutered immediately, along with all of the offspring . . .

Please keep us posted on your pup's condition. We're concerned for you and your pup - and actually care. We all just get so angry with unscrupulous breeders who care nothing for their dogs and just look at them as money machines.
 

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I just want to let you know I hope that everything will be okay. Please keep us updated.
 

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I agree with the others.

Do let us know. My thoughts are with you at this distressful time. I know how you must love your puppy. I do hope there's something to be done for him.

(((hugs)))
 

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I'm so sorry !!!!! The "breeder" should be notified and should replace for you. This isn't fair to you and the pup.....he's so young !
 

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I'm really sorry about this, it's always so sad to see such a young pup suffering from a disease...I agree with some of the above statements about the breeder, it sounds like a BYB operation and I wouldn't count on much help from them...but it's good you're contacting them, they NEED to know their dogs are passing on conditions like this. Best of luck, hang in there and keep us updated!
 
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I have known some dogs that lived fairly normal lives with neurological disorders but it's painful to watch the poor things. I am so sorry about your pup. I hope you get the answers you need and that your pup will be ok.

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Sounds like a mild case of narcolepsy. Rare but it happens.

Where did you get the dog? I bet it was not from a reputable breeder.

In my city we have had a rash of very unfortunate examples of greedy peopee using sick dogs to make a quick buck. They take sick dogs, usually toy breeds, and sell them for $300 in front of a store, with fake pedigree papers. The dogs get very sick in a matter of days and the new owners spend alot of money trying to save them. 3 or 4 have died despite the vets attempts.

I'll post the article if i can find it.

My advice, as hard as it may be, is to take the dog back to wherever you got it from and demand that the person who sold it to you compensate you for the cost, or take the dog back.

If it is narcolepsy, it is not curable.
 
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Sick dogs sold for fast buck
Dishonest sellers break hearts
By Amy Raisin Darvish
Staff writer


Sunday, May 29, 2005 - ***- Eleven-year-old Shannon Lieu could barely contain her excitement when she bought her first puppy from a man near the *** post office.

Two days later, her bichon frise became sluggish, got diarrhea and wouldn't eat. On May 13, just six days after spending $300 on their pet, Lieu's parents had her dog put down.

The vet knew the score: Shannon was the latest victim among a growing number of pet buyers who fall prey to street hustlers selling sick puppies as high-priced, purebred dogs. The puppies soon show signs of illness, then often die from highly contagious diseases.

"This is an emotional crime," said Jennifer Lieu, Shannon's mother, an attorney who lives in **** with her husband and two children.

"The papers this man gave us were fake. The phone number on the papers, we called and it was not a real number. We spent $160 at the vet but the dog was suffering. We finally had to (put him to sleep)."

Veterinary clinics across **** have seen an alarming number of sick puppies bought from private vendors outside businesses like Target, Kmart and fast food restaurants, said Teri Ehrman, vet technician at ***Animal Hospital.

The puppies, mostly small breeds like poodles, bichon frises and mixed breeds, then show up at clinics suffering from internal and external parasites, distemper and parvovirus, some of which prove fatal.

In the last six months, *** Animal Hospital has seen between 30 and 35 such cases, five or six of which have died, she said.

"Everyone who's come in has said the same thing, that they got the puppy outside" a local business, Ehrman said. "This is a total scam. I'm just horrified by the whole thing."

Parvo is a viral disease that affects puppies far more than adult dogs because it grows quickest in rapidly dividing cells, especially in the intestinal tract. As the virus attacks these cells, afflicted puppies often develop severe diarrhea, vomiting, lack of appetite and lethargy.

There is no cure for parvovirus and, if left untreated, most puppies die of dehydration. The virus is highly contagious and can survive in doggie beds, dirt and carpeting for up to 18 months.

"These puppy breeders just keep breeding these dogs that are probably already infected," Ehrman said. "Or the virus is already living in the dog's environment, so each new batch of puppies is immediately exposed to the virus.

"Every weekend, there's a new batch of puppies out there for sale. People need to know ... to be aware of where they get their dog."

One ***woman bought a poodle puppy last April from a man at a shopping center. The little white pup with one black ear was to be a Mother's Day present for her mom.

The woman paid $300 for the dog and documents stating it had been de-wormed and given a clean bill of health by a veterinarian.

The puppy, which she named Pookie, soon got sick. After paying two animal clinics about $2,400 to save the dog, it died a week later in the woman's lap.

"What these people are doing is not right," said the woman, Irene, 20, a *** resident who would only give her first name.

Irene reported the seller to the sheriff's station. Unfortunately, she said, there is no law against selling puppies.

So she has vowed to warn as many as possible against falling for the scam that left her and her mother devastated. She had it aired on a local radio station. She made fliers and hung them around her neighborhood.

But that didn't take away the pain inflicted on her dog and family.

"We had to tell my mom (about the dog) on Mother's Day because we didn't really have anything for her. She just started to cry."
 
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Just want to say thank you to everyone who's show their concern, Its really nice of you all. I will post a reply wednesday to let you all know how shadow got on at the Neurologist. I am going to phone the breeder tonight. I think I need to have a long talk to him. Thanks again everyone. ;)
 

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Good luck and good for you on calling the breeder! I know it may take some courage, but definitely stand your ground, you're doing the right thing.
 
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just to let you all know we've been to the specialist. they kept her in for the day and did blood and other tests. we've got to wait til next week for the bloods to come and up to six weeks for the urine samples to come back. The vet said his gut feeling is that the tests wont show anything, the blood test were done to check for infectious diseases and toxins, as they could be the cause of this condition shadow has, something like parvo could have caused damage to the vestibular system (its what controls balance) but the vet thinks its unlikely. His gut feeling is there is some sort of damage to her brain, either it didnt form properly when she was in her mums womb or something since has caused it not to function properly. He said the next step is an MRI scan, which means we'll have to travel 400 miles as thats where the nearest centre is. The vet also said, if it is some sort of brain damage then there's nothing they can do for her as basically the damage has been done. He said she should learn to live with the condiditon and may get better, but she may stay the same, or she may get worse. So I have to wait for the bloods to come back first so they can rule out infectious diseases, then its an MRI scan to see if anything obvious looks wrong with her brain.

I spoke to the breeder, he offered a full refund and he'd take the dog of our hands. I told him no. We love shadow and I'd feel a very irresponsible dog owner if I gave her back just because she has brain damage, my partner and I will stick with her until the end, for bette ror worse, because we love her, and she will always know she is loved.
 

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You are so wonderful. I pray your pup gets better, or it isn't something serious. I just admire you so much. :)
 
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Debi's right! You two are wonderful.

Shadow's breeder should offer you your money back at least, even without returning Shadow. You paid for a healthy pup and you didn't get what you paid for and now are not only incurring a great many monetary expenses, but are willing to take on the emotional expenses as well.
 

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I am happy to hear that you are keeping her, but they really should give you your money back and YOU KEEP THE DOG!! You are a good dog mom and I hope she recovers for you. I hate to see them go through this type of thing and I know you will see her through it. Good luck to you, and let us know how she does ;)
 

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