Those who bought from responsible breeders...

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And also mostly, I think ABMC just wants their dogs to be viewed as companions first and foremost with people who want to keep them forever.
I think this is correct.

Their reasoning, motivated by a lack of faith and respect in sport dog fanciers or their experience in their crop of dogs not being ideal for competitive sport dogs, was an interesting quandary of mine.

Of the mals we tested, before ours, several were rescues and lacked what we wanted, that said they were the common place Mexican police force decent over sized under driven dogs of the Las Vegas area. Though, breeding seems to matter and you can without a doubt find fantastic dogs in rescue.
 

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Their reasoning, motivated by a lack of faith and respect in sport dog fanciers or their experience in their crop of dogs not being ideal for competitive sport dogs, was an interesting quandary of mine.
Off topic from the original thread: Yeah, I find it both simultaneously unfortunate but understandable. Unfortunate because they could probably make some great placements, understandable because IME the community surrounding these dogs doesn't promote keeping them unconditionally as pets. I don't mean that as a cut; I can understand having goals and responsibly selling/placing a dog that isn't going to meet them, but I can absolutely see a rescue not wanting to put a dog in that situation.

We have had passers-through and the odd visiting decoy to our club - someone will usually tell them B is from the pound, since it's viewed as an oddity, and I will almost always be told how lucky I was to get her so cheap, or be told that I could re-sell her. I can't tell if people think it's cute or stupid when I say she's my (spayed) house pet, first and foremost, and I decided to keep her before I had any real idea what her aptitude for work really was, lol. And beyond that, there are some truly shady individuals and attitudes in the breed, sadly, and that warrants some suspicion. And of course, the rescue sees only the worst of it, you know?

Like I said, I can understand it both sides. I was in sport horses for years and had the horse we bought not turned out, we would have sold him. Even at 12 years old, I was ok with that. But I really do understand rescues being unwilling to place animals that often already had a hard lot in life into a situation where their home is conditional (more so than a pet, I suppose everybody has their deal-breakers).

I do kind of wish I didn't feel like working your dog was a little bit taboo with ABMC - nothing in the contract forbids it at all (except foster dogs which IMO is understandable) but I admit I do feel as though it might provoke judgement or concern. Not so much over the work itself; I do not get the impression anyone there feels that bitework is bad for dogs, but over the culture surrounding it. I would love to brag on my rescued dog on their FB page but I just don't feel comfortable, honestly, so I censor my posts to pet stuff, much though I would love to post, "Blossom did a long send on the jacket and she was GREAT!!!" lol. And I wonder how many out there working their rescued Mals feel the same due to this significant culture clash.

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What was your reasoning for buying vs rescuing?
Keeva is from a breeder, a friend of a friend. I never gave rescue serious consideration, if I'm totally honest. I wanted a small dog, genetically healthy, driven for sports, intact and registrable while intact. I did peruse petfinder and there were a couple of cute prospects but I really wasn't up for having an altered animal again and when I contacted places to see if I could test the dog's toy drive and such, they were weird about it.

Purebred dogs are a hobby for me honestly, while I firmly subscribe to the idea that a good dog is where you find it, I'm involved enough in the world of breeders and purebred dogs that it just makes sense for me. Rescue don't want to adopt to me either, because intact dogs and blah blah blah.

I guess purchasing a dog is my default mode and rescues either happen to me or I would have to have a reason to go looking for one.

Have you rescued before?
Yep, Macky is from a local no-kill rescue and Blossom is from a county pound in Ohio. Macky was deliberate; I was 16 and convinced breeding and purchasing dogs was teh evil at the time. Blossom just happened to me; she really needed out of the pound, AMBC couldn't/wouldn't pull her for red tape reasons, so Aleron orchestrated a way to get her to me and she ended up staying. LOL

I believe any rescues in the future will likely be acquired thusly. Just seems to be the way of things for me.

Did you feel any guilt for purchasing?
Nope.
 

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I do think the all altered animal requirement for some rescues is a bit odd. It gets even weirder when it's different species. I have looked over bird rescue applications that ask if your dogs or cats are altered or intact. Obviously the concern is not that I'm going to be breeding my rescued Quaker parrot with my intact poodle (Quakerdoodles!!! I'd make a fortune!!) so the only purpose for the question is to assess my fitness of as a pet owner based partly on my animals being altered or not.
 

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Obviously the concern is not that I'm going to be breeding my rescued Quaker parrot with my intact poodle (Quakerdoodles!!! I'd make a fortune!!) so the only purpose for the question is to assess my fitness of as a pet owner based partly on my animals being altered or not.
That's exactly what it is about. It is about pushing an agenda and "punishing" people for not falling in line with that agenda by denying them a pet they want. It has nothing to do with if the animal they are offering will be bred because obviously dogs and cats being offered by groups that ask about the reproductive status of your current pets are altered prior to placement.
 
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My next dog will be from a breeder for a few reasons.
1- I want a whippet. Specifically a long haired one, and those do not happen in rescue. Now that I've said that, the lady I was posting about the other day will dump hers tomorrow.
2- I want a puppy. Gambit will be happier with a pup, and I want to control its experiences as much as possible
3- I want speedydogs to breed Journey tomorrow, thanks :lol-sign:
I do not feel badly about this at all, and I've gotten no flack for it. I do support and work with rescue, and will continue to do so.
 

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It is about pushing an agenda and "punishing" people for not falling in line with that agenda
OT, but this is how I feel about Delta's policy about NO animals in the household being fed raw protein ever. Oh, you feed your snake raw mice? Oh darn, looks like you can't do therapy work with your dog.
 

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OT, but this is how I feel about Delta's policy about NO animals in the household being fed raw protein ever. Oh, you feed your snake raw mice? Oh darn, looks like you can't do therapy work with your dog.
My experience with Delta makes me think you're absolutely right. They strike me as the elitists of the therapy animal world.
 

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I intend to get a Fila pup from a reputable breeder in the future. With a breed like that, you need to make sure you stack the odds in your favor for proper temperament. And I won't feel guilty. I will have some rescues in my household too. My family's pets have mostly been rescues, although none of them have been from actual rescue organization yet.
 

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I don't feel like there are a shortage of homes seeking dogs.
Sadly there are more dogs being produced then there are homes for them it seems :(

I try to do my part, you know, I donate food, time, money, all I can. Some folks in rescue just don't realize that just because someone doesn't rescue an actual dog doesn't mean they don't help at all.
 

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I'm not sure when my next dog will be. I'll probably do a lot of planning and end up with a cute shelter mutt. ;)

I would LIKE to buy from a breeder. But due to the high price tag attached to most 'responsible' puppies, I doubt I'll go that route. I just can't justify spending the amount I would need to in order to find a 'quality' dog.

I don't hate breeders. I don't hate rescues. I see both sides. I do think they both have points, though.

A lot of people with intact pets (around here) do it because they want to breed their dogs. Because their dog is a 'nice lab' or a 'pretty pitt'. They don't do it because they're researched the topic of spay/neuter and have decided against it. They do it because they're lazy, cheap and someday might want Baby to have puppies because she's SO SWEET. (I realize I'm assuming a lot here, but I see an overwhelming amount of pitts and labs in the shelters here. Not to mention I know several people who have a very 'whatever' stance on dogs.)

But I also know there are several who have intact dogs who don't have little puppies running around.

It sucks when one group ruins it for the rest.

I also didn't realize how loose the shelters were down here (the south). You can go to my town's shelter and just bring a proof of rabies for all your animals, pay the adoption fee and basically walk out with a dog.

I think it does matter where people get their dogs. Not to feel better or worse about your choice, but just to know. Supply and demand.

I don't judge any of my friends for purchasing a dog from a breeder. I may be curious as to the why's, but otherwise, good for them.

For the most part, I've never felt that the members here are anti-resuce. I'm sure how you would get that, honestly. We all care about our dogs. We like to brag about them, plaster photos of them and pretend their breed is the best. Everyone does that. Doesn't matter if you have a chi-weenie-oodle or a Mal.

If price were not an issue, I'd go with a breeder hands-down. And I would have a hard time understanding why someone wouldn't.

Except I hate puppies. It would also need to be trained. :rofl1:
 

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My next dog is.coming from my dog. I don't feel bad, I don't feel guilty and I don't care what others think about it.

Bottom line is, it's my dog, my problem, my business. It's no one elses business.
 

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If price were not an issue, I'd go with a breeder hands-down. And I would have a hard time understanding why someone wouldn't.

Except I hate puppies. It would also need to be trained.
1) Because it makes me feel good to take a dog someone else threw away and turn it into the greatest thing on four feet.

2) Because there is no breed I've found yet that fits what I want in a dog (and let's be honest, that's probably half of why I haven't used a breeder. A breeder of what?!)

3) Puppies. Oh god, puppies. I did it with Gusto. I have no desire to do it again. All future dogs will ideally be acquired between 10 and 18 months.

Like I said, I have no qualms about breeders in general, nothing against those who use them. I have one breeder I adore, who, if I were ever looking to add another dog at one of the rare times she were breeding, I think I'd go for it. But money is the least of my reasons for choosing rescue dogs over breeder dogs.
 

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Off topic from the original thread: Yeah, I find it both simultaneously unfortunate but understandable. Unfortunate because they could probably make some great placements, understandable because IME the community surrounding these dogs doesn't promote keeping them unconditionally as pets. I don't mean that as a cut; I can understand having goals and responsibly selling/placing a dog that isn't going to meet them, but I can absolutely see a rescue not wanting to put a dog in that situation.

We have had passers-through and the odd visiting decoy to our club - someone will usually tell them B is from the pound, since it's viewed as an oddity, and I will almost always be told how lucky I was to get her so cheap, or be told that I could re-sell her. I can't tell if people think it's cute or stupid when I say she's my (spayed) house pet, first and foremost, and I decided to keep her before I had any real idea what her aptitude for work really was, lol. And beyond that, there are some truly shady individuals and attitudes in the breed, sadly, and that warrants some suspicion. And of course, the rescue sees only the worst of it, you know?

Like I said, I can understand it both sides. I was in sport horses for years and had the horse we bought not turned out, we would have sold him. Even at 12 years old, I was ok with that. But I really do understand rescues being unwilling to place animals that often already had a hard lot in life into a situation where their home is conditional (more so than a pet, I suppose everybody has their deal-breakers).

I do kind of wish I didn't feel like working your dog was a little bit taboo with ABMC - nothing in the contract forbids it at all (except foster dogs which IMO is understandable) but I admit I do feel as though it might provoke judgement or concern. Not so much over the work itself; I do not get the impression anyone there feels that bitework is bad for dogs, but over the culture surrounding it. I would love to brag on my rescued dog on their FB page but I just don't feel comfortable, honestly, so I censor my posts to pet stuff, much though I would love to post, "Blossom did a long send on the jacket and she was GREAT!!!" lol. And I wonder how many out there working their rescued Mals feel the same due to this significant culture clash.

On topic:
Me. While I know it's not their preference, I read that contract inside and out to make sure that it wasn't expressly forbidden. Even if Nico ends up being a wash as an IPO dog, you would have to pry him out of my cold,dead hands. We would find some other activity to enjoy together. Nico enjoys EVERYTHING though.
 

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If price were not an issue, I'd go with a breeder hands-down. And I would have a hard time understanding why someone wouldn't.

Except I hate puppies. It would also need to be trained.
Price *was* an issue for me, but I still went with a breeder. Looking back on it, it probably wasn't the smartest move as I now have literally NO money in my savings account (and my fiance about died when I told him how much Abrams cost), but I don't have any regrets. I spent the money and got the dog I wanted - I would rather have done that than spend less than $100, but gambled with a puppy of unknown origin at this point in time in my life.
 

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Price *was* an issue for me, but I still went with a breeder. Looking back on it, it probably wasn't the smartest move as I now have literally NO money in my savings account (and my fiance about died when I told him how much Abrams cost), but I don't have any regrets. I spent the money and got the dog I wanted - I would rather have done that than spend less than $100, but gambled with a puppy of unknown origin at this point in time in my life.
I "prepared" my OH for what futurepuppy is going to cost, if we decide to go wih a breeder ... But he wants a GSD (his family had them growing up), I want an ACD lol, but since the breeder I wanted's female didn't take this time around :( I guess he wins lol. Still I told him a GOOD GSD will set us back about $2000 in this area.
 

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I "prepared" my OH for what futurepuppy is going to cost, if we decide to go wih a breeder ... But he wants a GSD (his family had them growing up), I want an ACD lol, but since the breeder I wanted's female didn't take this time around :( I guess he wins lol. Still I told him a GOOD GSD will set us back about $2000 in this area.
Only if you're looking at showline...working line GSDs in TX are still $1200-$1500. Showlines are $2000+
 

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