This just makes me sick.

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And it actually made me feel sick to read the post where dogs are comparable to a screw driver, and how spending a month to find a dog a new home is just too difficult. That way of thinking is just disgusting to me. Of course, dogs are legally considered property, but it is human DECENCY to give them the respect they deserve.
Yep, same here. I found it extremely insensitive, especially since I DO own an ACD who was poorly bred and what ranchers would have considered to be a "broken" cattle dog. When we first adopted him, he was a train wreck. These days, he's done a complete 1-80. Come to find out that "broken screwdriver" was simply to intelligent for his own good and in a home with someone who couldn't offer him something more to do then just be tied up outside all day. All he needed was training and mental stimulation.

I don't think to highly of Marlin's previous owners, but the one thing I can say is atleast they had the common decency, compassion, and sense of responsibility to put in the effort of finding him a new home rather then just f*king shooting him.
 

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Yep, same here. I found it extremely insensitive, especially since I DO own an ACD who was poorly bred and what ranchers would have considered to be a "broken" cattle dog. When we first adopted him, he was a train wreck. These days, he's done a complete 1-80. Come to find out that "broken screwdriver" was simply to intelligent for his own good and in a home with someone who couldn't offer him something more to do then just be tied up outside all day. All he needed was training and mental stimulation.

I don't think to highly of Marlin's previous owners, but the one thing I can say is atleast they had the common decency, compassion, and sense of responsibility to put in the effort of finding him a new home rather then just f*king shooting him.
Exactly.:hail: He is one very lucky dog. If he had lived with people who have that mentality we've been talking about....who shoot dogs because they're not quite up to "par," then his sweet life would have been snuffed out a long time ago. As it was, he wound up in a loving home and was given a chance at what all dogs deserve...the chance to live.
 

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First off who said it was a working dog. At least most farm dogs around here are just pets who bark at predators for the most part. No herding, or not much, needed. I too have seen elderly couples handle some pretty 'interesting' cattle dogs in my day. (seems most farm families I know the heads of the household are older)



Not sure its more humane. It is if there are no issues. A small moving dog can be a tricky target.

Also my vet is no stranger to my dog or me. Plus my vet will come to my home if I want her too when the time comes (actually they make house calls for all sorts of reasons) When I had a stressy aggressive JRT rescue that had to be put down I took him out back and lay with him in the grass and they came out and put him down in the shade of tree. A good vet should not be a stranger mucking with your dog.
If you had a small active dog you'd want a handgun or a second hand (or both) for sure.

If your dog is relaxed with your vet, and either likes the clinic or the vet does house calls, (I elaborated on that in another post because my first post didn't really make exceptions for dogs that like vets), then there probably isn't much difference.

I guess it depends how often your dog sees the vet, Roman sees a vet about once a year, and he's been to 2 different ones (I don't think the guy I mentioned had his dogs see the vet often either). The vet is not a stranger to me but to Roman he is. And as far as mucking, well, there is limb restraint and needle insertion, I know Roman and many many other dogs aren't too stoked about that sort of thing from a person they see infrequently.
 

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Exactly. Most of the people on here are talking about putting a dog down using a bullet VS euthanasia and what's more humane, and thus telling stories about some old or injured dog that was put down by a gun rather then a needle. Not sure how many of you read my post about how I grew up on a rural farm where this was done to old and sick animals about as often as it was needed, so obviously I'm not arguing the method of being put down. I'm arguing the reason. This dog was not sick, old, or injured. There was no indications it was man aggressive. From the sounds of it, it's only issue was being an ill-trained, under stimulated cattle dog. Kind of like how Marlin was when I first adopted him. If what the OP said is true, it wasn't warranted here. I don't care if it was legal, or "his right as a pet owner", or whatever other BS reasons people have been coming up with. It was wrong.
I won't argue with you about that. I don't think being rowdy is a valid reason to kill a dog. As a rancher, I think the man should have KNOWN that a cattle dog is an energetic animal, especially as a puppy. It was common knowledge where I grew up.

There is no indication that the dog was man-aggressive. There is also no indication that it did anything but play too roughly with the older dog. No other information provided, so who knows? How is it fair to pass judgment based on so little information?

Honestly, having grown up on a ranch and around ranchers, I completely understand that dogs ARE tools. A good stockdog does wonders for a rancher, and a bad stockdog can run weight off his livestock, stress/harass them, injure them and kill them. When livestock are your livelihood, their lives and well being are just as, if not more important than the well being of your stockdog.

Yes, the dog is a living being and its life deserves to be respected. As do the lives of the other animals on the farm! What makes the dog's life more important than the veteran stockdog it's picking fights with, or the cattle or sheep or chickens it's chasing/injuring/killing? Not every farmer can afford to hang onto a dog until someone shows up who wants to take it in. Most shelters will not be able to adopt out a young, rough working-breed dog to a pet home. Pops makes a good point that a lot of the dogs who are bred specifically as working animals are NOT good pets for 99.9% of the population.

I don't disagree that it would be fair to give the dog a chance at a new home, and if I were in that farmer's shoes I certainly would've tried to find the dog a home, but I can't treat a farmer with a working ranch dog the same way I would treat a family in the suburbs with their newly adopted pet. Animals on ranches are held to different standards.

Perhaps it's because I've spent the last 4 years in a third world country with very little consideration for the lives of animals, but I just can't see shooting and killing an animal as inhumane. Shooting it and leaving it to slowly die? Horrible. Botching a euthanasia? Horrible. But a clean shot to the head is quick and painless.

I could never shoot a dog for rowdy behavior alone, but knowing ranchers and growing up in that community, I am willing to bet that there was more to that story than just the minor inconvenience of one pet playing too roughly with another.
 
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I don't care if it was legal, or "his right as a pet owner", or whatever other BS reasons people have been coming up with. It was wrong.
and it is just as EQUALLY WRONG to dump your responsibilities on others. It's a sign of weakness that you can't live up to your commitments and responsibilities. You take your obligations and dump them on others hoping they will respond and do what you are unable to do. Dump all your liabilities to some other person and hope they have the guts and mental stamina to fix your screw up. Just HOW is that "right"? because it makes you feel better about yourself knowing a living creature you gave up on has a chance to be adopted or killed by someone else? How ****ing noble.
 

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and it is just as EQUALLY WRONG to dump your responsibilities on others. It's a sign of weakness that you can't live up to your commitments and responsibilities. You take your obligations and dump them on others hoping they will respond and do what you are unable to do. Dump all your liabilities to some other person and hope they have the guts and mental stamina to fix your screw up. Just HOW is that "right"? because it makes you feel better about yourself knowing a living creature you gave up on has a chance to be adopted or killed by someone else? How ****ing noble.
It's not right to dump a dog, but you know what: IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU.

It's about the life of a dog. At least if the dog is surrendered to a shelter or a rescue, it has a chance at a LIFE.
 

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and it is just as EQUALLY WRONG to dump your responsibilities on others. It's a sign of weakness that you can't live up to your commitments and responsibilities. You take your obligations and dump them on others hoping they will respond and do what you are unable to do. Dump all your liabilities to some other person and hope they have the guts and mental stamina to fix your screw up. Just HOW is that "right"? because it makes you feel better about yourself knowing a living creature you gave up on has a chance to be adopted or killed by someone else? How ****ing noble.
So what you're saying is you'd rather a dog be neglected or put in a dangerous or miserable situation rather then having their owners, who can no longer offer them the care they need, find them a new home that can? Automatic death is a more responsible option, eh? What about the dog? Have you even stopped to THINK that it's THEIR life we're talking about (not yours) and they would rather the chance at having one? That they deserve the chance at having one? Or is it easier for you to disregard and ignore that because it's "just a dog" and has the inability to express what it is they want like a human?
 

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So what you're saying is you'd rather a dog be neglected or put in a dangerous or miserable situation rather then having their owners, who can no longer offer them the care they need, find them a new home that can? Automatic death is a more responsible option, eh? What about the dog? Have you even stopped to THINK that it's THEIR life we're talking about (not yours) and they would rather the chance at having one? That they deserve the chance at having one? Or is it easier for you to disregard and ignore that because it's "just a dog" and has the inability to express what it is they want like a human?
Exactly this!
 

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I would be saying something very different if this was a very old, maybe aggressive, old dog that had probably a 0% chance of adoption at a shelter. In those kinds of cases, ya, I would I guess rather the dog die at home then being dumped is a stressful shelter at their age knowing they will probably not be adopted/euthanized before they even reach the adoption floor due to behavior issues

but.. a puppy. a puppy that VERY EASILY could have had a chance at getting adopted by somebody who wanted it. Totally different thing IMO

I don't think this was a pride thing, or a "I don't want to put this responsibility on others" thing. I think this was frustrated laziness.

The difference between a shelter for this puppy and his fate was that at least at a shelter, this pup could've had a CHANCE at life. A very good chance considering he was a puppy of that breed.

People who drop off very old/aggressive dogs, I put them in the same bucket as those who just "take em out back & shoot em" because either way, they are sentencing those dogs to death. period. We all know that in this day and age, those dogs are not being dropped off at shelters to walk out with loving families. The shelter workers know. the people know. Everybody knows those dogs have NO CHANCE. so hell, why even put them through it?

but it's different for puppies. Puppies have a shot. There are families waiting for puppies, there are programs bringing puppies up north to shelters, there are breed specific rescues.. there are OPTIONS.
 

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and it is just as EQUALLY WRONG to dump your responsibilities on others. It's a sign of weakness that you can't live up to your commitments and responsibilities. You take your obligations and dump them on others hoping they will respond and do what you are unable to do. Dump all your liabilities to some other person and hope they have the guts and mental stamina to fix your screw up. Just HOW is that "right"? because it makes you feel better about yourself knowing a living creature you gave up on has a chance to be adopted or killed by someone else? How ****ing noble.
You know I don't see it that way. My taxes pay for the local shelter. Why not use it if I needed to? (not that I personally would, I know enough people in the dog community I could easily place a puppy)

What about all those people who WANT to adopt a puppy and would see this as a fantastic opportunity? Sure if you are dumping a 'problem' on others I see it as bad. But from the sounds of this it was an 'in demand' dog. Its like the people who shot their dog because it killed a chicken. Around here there is a shortage of young healthy friendly dogs... how is it being more responsible to shoot the dog vs letting someone adopt it?
 

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To me there's a difference between passing on a screw up and passing on a dog that you don't want to handle.

If I had a horse that too spirited for me to handle but that would make a nice sporthorse, I can't imagine anyone getting upset that I gave it to someone else... that's the logical thing to do.

Of course we don't know the story, but based on the information we have the cattle dog was just too rowdy for the guy's old border collie, and dogs of that sort are wanted by people in the area.
 
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So what you're saying is you'd rather a dog be neglected or put in a dangerous or miserable situation rather then having their owners, who can no longer offer them the care they need, find them a new home that can? Automatic death is a more responsible option, eh? What about the dog? Have you even stopped to THINK that it's THEIR life we're talking about (not yours) and they would rather the chance at having one? That they deserve the chance at having one? Or is it easier for you to disregard and ignore that because it's "just a dog" and has the inability to express what it is they want like a human?
yeah, that's exactly what I said :confused: How about you go back and read my responses in this thread, then see if you can't come to another conclusion.

No, Not exactly this.

I know it's about the dog. There are millions upon millions of dogs in this country right now today, looking for a home. are YOU going to save them all?????? What about the dogs needing a chance that then have to get moved out and killed to make for the new ones? what about their chances?
Someone is going to lose in ever scenerio when someone dumps their dog. I don't see anything morally different by dumping one at a shelter over ending it yourself.

I take care of all my responsibilities and a good number of others that people decided to dump and neglect. I also fully realize that there is life and there is death. Some get a more fair shake than others and while I feel for the dogs, I'm also not going to get too upset about someone chosing to end THEIR dog's options rather than dump them at a shelter.
 

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I take care of all my responsibilities and a good number of others that people decided to dump and neglect. I also fully realize that there is life and there is death. Some get a more fair shake than others and while I feel for the dogs, I'm also not going to get too upset about someone chosing to end THEIR dog's options rather than dump them at a shelter.
Are you reading all the posts?

In some areas there is a shortage of young dogs. Its not like dogs are being killed to make room for young dogs in those places.

Not American but as I pointed out we almost never ever have puppies in our local shelters. Between our two shelters that serve over 160k people there are less than 25 dogs in there.

I personally have less of an issue if there is little chance the dog will find a home, or will be warehoused till its killed. BUT if the dog was in an area where puppies or young dogs go quickly then I think killing the dog is a disservice to the dog.

Sport was one hell of a puppy, we were his third home by the time he was 11 months. However I am glad no one just shot him. He is a happy well loved dog. Young BCs don't come through even BC rescue all that often let alone a local shelter.
 
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There's not much of a shortage around here. I can probably find thousands of dogs available in less than an hour radius drive.

I think killing a dog that is anything but a dangerous or very sick dog is a disservice to the dog. But then what I think doesn't get to dictate what everyone else gets to do. Nor should it.
 

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The OP has stated puppies last less than a day or so in her local shelter (ie quickly adopted)... I was going based on that.

If the dog has no more than the normal amount of issues and is going to be easily adoptable I don't think its more responsible to kill the dog than let it have a new home.
 

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Well, it just goes to show...some people place a much higher value on dogs (the whole dog) more than others and have a larger space in their heart for this species.
 
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Well, it just goes to show...some people place a much higher value on dogs (the whole dog) more than others and have a larger space in their heart for this species.
I really hope this is in no way directed at me, because quite frankly my dear, you couldn't be further from the truth. But if it makes you feel better to think so, go right ahead. I highly doubt there is a person here that has cried harder or felt more pain than I did when I had to say good bye to my old girl.
 

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