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It is. I think it's working.

I know they say if you mark and release, you can reward from anywhere. Right hand, left hand, whatever. I don't buy it, I have seen too many marker trained dogs released that swing a butt out to face the right, even if the ball is thrown, etc. Especially if they are high drive.

Monkeys, I have front issues too. I cannot get straight enough or close enough. Sigh.
 
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I agree with you. I think placement or delivery of the reward is very important in the final outcome. I just wish I would have thought it was that important before I made my mistake :) I actually thought I was passed that point with her. Her position and things were good, I just wasn't aware enough of what her hind end was doing when I was rewarding all those times and it slowly got worse and worse and I was reinforcing it...Ooops.

In the future I'll be much more congnizant of how my delivery is affecting the final picture i'm looking for.

Monkeys- I haven't gotten to the fronts yet. With Zoe they're pretty good. Can't complain there. But I had her as a puppy and imprinted them early and they stuck. Yoli, i haven't really worked on them, but know I need to. I'll have some video of that for you to pick at some day maybe.

She doesn't come that close, i think you can even see how far back she likes to be in one of those videos i posted. I don't like dogs banging into me on recalls, but with her, I think i'm going to teach contact gets the reward and do it with food again. I have too many important parts she could get at snapping after a ball reward that close :)
 

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Cool, look forward to see when you start working on that.

Oh man I've noticed that being more cognizant of reward placement is making a huge difference with cleaning up positions. I'd never have realized if I hadn't brought it up in our private clicker lessons.

Lily is good about stopping appropriately on recall and Scout is usually... but Scout gets waaaaaay too over the top in drive if I am holding a toy. We're working on the whole playing thing because I'd like to be using toy rewards as well. I have opposite problems going on here trying to tone down Scout's overexcitement at the toy (oh boy have I gotten some bruises lol) and building Lily's drive for her toy. Good times! :)
 
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I'm terrible about commenting, but I always really enjoy your training videos. Yoli looks like so much fun!
 

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I completely missed this entire thread, somehow. Neat videos! Really enjoyed watching them. And yeah, *totally* not how I pictured you. LOL
 

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I am without home Internet right now, so have only been able to check the forum on my phone, which I hate posting on.

That said, I've watched all the videos, much to Nico's dismay. He doesn't pay any attention to most dogs barking on videos usually, but with these, I got a lot of interest from him. He even did a mini b&h on me/my phone.

Any tips on getting a better cadence from him?

And yes, I too pictured you being a salty old guy. Not a young dude. (Young is relative, I'm guessing you are probably around my age.)
 
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Any tips on getting a better cadence from him?
Without seeing him and being there it's hard for me. There's so many ways they can be "wrong" and so many ways to fix it. :) Some dogs just have the cadence they have and I can't figure out anything to change :confused:

is he "slow"? is it hectic? no real rhythm? squaky?, just clacking jaws and no barking?

as for ways, ideally some defense with another helper is great, but we dont' always have access to that. If you do I prefer to get it from the "helper"

Depending on the dog, some do better with a barrier in front, some just transition nice from tight line to lose, some need some mental pressure, some not. I have one Dutchie, not mine personally, that if you're making eye contact or try to physically pressure him, he doesn't give a crap about it.

I dont' pay attention to him and he starts to get pissed and his barking gets really nice, like he's saying "hey **** head, I'm right here, pay attention to me" and that's how we got his barking and cadence nice in the blind.

Sometimes doing drive switching , two collars, flat and prong, two lines and having the helper go from prey to defense while you manipulate the lines, tight on flat for prey, barking stops. helper stops and pressures the dog, tight line with prong (adds irritation, associates with helper and pressure) and can make great barking.

This is all from a distance, when barking is what you want, release for a bite. I do this playing hide and seek around the blind, but not in it at first. But some dogs are allowed to bark themselves closer to me, meaning they bark nice, the handler lets them move forward in their cadence. Some dogs bark me in. As they bark, I work my way closer when they're barking nicely and if they stop, I stop, too much garbage and I back away. they learn what brings me in.

But like I said earlier, there's a lot of ways, but a lot of variables that will tell me what to do. and sometimes I just guess and hope if works :)

without seeing him or how old he is, or where he's at in training, I can't really give a definitive answer. I see you're in Des Moines, that's quite a hike from me, but I will be in IA city sometime the end of this month or beginning of next. My SIL lives there and we'll be visiting for a weekend, and another nephew is going to the University of IA there too, and I can always find time to sneak away and train dogs :D.
 
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Without seeing him and being there it's hard for me. There's so many ways they can be "wrong" and so many ways to fix it. :) Some dogs just have the cadence they have and I can't figure out anything to change :confused:

is he "slow"? is it hectic? no real rhythm? squaky?, just clacking jaws and no barking?

as for ways, ideally some defense with another helper is great, but we dont' always have access to that. If you do I prefer to get it from the "helper"

Depending on the dog, some do better with a barrier in front, some just transition nice from tight line to lose, some need some mental pressure, some not. I have one Dutchie, not mine personally, that if you're making eye contact or try to physically pressure him, he doesn't give a crap about it.

I dont' pay attention to him and he starts to get pissed and his barking gets really nice, like he's saying "hey **** head, I'm right here, pay attention to me" and that's how we got his barking and cadence nice in the blind.

Sometimes doing drive switching , two collars, flat and prong, two lines and having the helper go from prey to defense while you manipulate the lines, tight on flat for prey, barking stops. helper stops and pressures the dog, tight line with prong (adds irritation, associates with helper and pressure) and can make great barking.

This is all from a distance, when barking is what you want, release for a bite. I do this playing hide and seek around the blind, but not in it at first. But some dogs are allowed to bark themselves closer to me, meaning they bark nice, the handler lets them move forward in their cadence. Some dogs bark me in. As they bark, I work my way closer when they're barking nicely and if they stop, I stop, too much garbage and I back away. they learn what brings me in.

But like I said earlier, there's a lot of ways, but a lot of variables that will tell me what to do. and sometimes I just guess and hope if works :)

without seeing him or how old he is, or where he's at in training, I can't really give a definitive answer. I see you're in Des Moines, that's quite a hike from me, but I will be in IA city sometime the end of this month or beginning of next. My SIL lives there and we'll be visiting for a weekend, and another nephew is going to the University of IA there too, and I can always find time to sneak away and train dogs :D.
That's all well and good, but when will you be coming to Texas? :p
 

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Ya'll should move to ID and we'll start up a more user friendly club. LOL. Seriously though, I wish our club here was better.

Also Scout offered to bark and hold because she was so excited for our private lesson yesterday and we've not done bitework with our decoy in a long while. Awkward!
We worked on "find the leg" and some other perchwork stuff mostly this time. It was fun and should help with what we've been working on at home.
 

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