Should moderators be able to delete their own threads IF...

[Renee750il]

Foxy, you have provided this site with a lot of valuable information and have helped out a lot of people. Although a number of members are upset with you, I think this site absolutely has the ability to forgive. Please consider coming back, coming clean, and starting fresh. I know I have certainly made a lot of mistakes, so you aren't alone. I feel confident that if you came back, told the truth, and apologized, you could see the really great side of this forum - caring people who have the ability to forgive and move on.

I hope this can be remembered. And not just in this instance, but that it carries on into the future.

 

[Saeleofu]

I hope this can be remembered. And not just in this instance, but that it carries on into the future.

:hail:

 

[crazy_paws]

I just wanted to add my little bit. This is a breed that I ADORE. Some of the inconsistencies and potential 'accidents' have literally made me sick and stay up from worrying. I am trying to suspend all judgement. Jessie has made some excellent points though.

The threads should not be deleted or modified. Trust is something that I hold very, very dear. I've lost friends that have proved I can no longer trust them. I don't feel like any relationship can survive at all without trust.

On the other hand, I really like Foxy and her dogs. I hope for nothing but the best for Ruby's delivery. If there is anything I can do for her dogs, she can shoot me a PM and I'll leave my opinions out of it.

 

[sparks19]

Hmm I have mixed feelings on all this. First I don't see if she was insecure why the stories were in the order they were. It doesn't make sense. It also doesn't make sense denying the existence of Gypsy for example. It isn't logical even if you were bending the truth from fear of backlash.

I'm not sure what's going on to be honest. I'm not sure the specifics really matter.

I will say this, I will not post some things on here that I would on other forums. I never posted Mia's breeder for example but I have told people who asked privately. I have seen too many decent breeders get completely crucified to do that comfortably even though I am very comfortable with my decision. I do think on occasion we are too harsh and I do think it's a shame people are afraid to say what they really think or do.

I don't know that this is the case here though, and I am trying to say this with utmost respect.

I agree.

if this were REALLY about wanting to impress the people here and fear of backlash she wouldn't have STARTED with the rescue story. she would have started with the story that her dogs are from champion lines and competing with one dog having CKC champ status.

it jsut doesn't make sense. so I agree this is something different.

i don't know why and only Foxy knows the how, why and what not.

I think this is just a REALLY bad time for all this to come down after all that JUST happened with REggin/rottiegirl. People are NOT going to take kindly to more lies from someone they trusted.

This can be salvaged with simple honesty and everyone will get over it and will love the puppy pics.

as for the abuse of mod status... well it will be a tough road if she continues to be mod because she's really insulted a lot of people with those actions. insulted probably isn't a good word .. but lost trust and respect for that. As a mod it's going to take a lot of work to get that back. but that's not really any of our business .

 

[Dekka]

I have pretty thick skin (for those who haven't noticed lol) I am willing to be upfront and honest about what I do with my dogs, breeding etc. But it takes VERY thick skin and strong nerves at times on this forum. Cause you KNOW there will be people combing over your every word as a 'breeder' or 'dog trainer' and checking to see if you contradict yourself or 'let something slip'. I am totally fine with it, but some people don't have the rhino skin that I do

I like FW so take that as it is...

But as much as I LOVE a good forum drama some of the posts seem a bit 'bashing for the fun of bashing'. Some of the 'lies' or seeming contradictions are not inherently so. I would like to hear it from her personally. What is the point of having a forum community if we are so willing to bash 'one of our own' with out letting her speak her piece?

I do agree that deleting posts is not cool. But do we know for sure she did it with out discussing it with any other mods? I mean I see a lot of blaming for things, and not a lot of proof. I see contradictions and perhaps lies, but what I don't see is any compassion for a member who likely lied BECAUSE she likes 'us' and the community (if so it doesn't make it right, but its not the same as being a troll and doing it just to get a rise out of the community)

Buckshot said it well. Lying is often due to fear of judgment.

 

[Beanie]

I agree with Laurelin... it is all very confusing. The lies, the "truth" about the lies, and then the real truth is in there somewhere I'm sure. Lots of questions and I just don't know what to think of it all.


Honestly when I saw the post the first time I had this niggling in the back of my mind thought it was a joke, a set up. A "haha, they didn't really breed, I just wanted to see how pissed off people would get!" It just seemed odd and bizarre. You know. In the same way how I thought the way my car sounded while starting last week was a little odd and bizarre, but didn't really think anything of it. Until I was out at Michaels and tried to start it and my battery was dead. Then I was like "OHHHH. Yeah. Now that makes sense. Durp durp."

I want to clarify that when I was talking about people's memory, I wasn't being mean or making a snide comment. I don't get the chance to read a lot of posts here so I know I miss a lot, but it's still impressive to me that there are people who have caught things and the alarm bells start ringing. To me it really is just a "Huh. Well that's a little odd," and then that's the end of where my brain takes it, so for people who actually listen to their brains and go "But wait a second, didn't they once say...?" it's impressive. I was being 100% honest in my admiration, not rude.

 

[PixieSticksandTricks]

I'm suprised so many think this way. Have we lead people to believe they are somehow lower than us with dogs from reputable breeders? Do we (as a forum) come off that way? .

1,000 times YES.

 

[Paige]

While we are on the subject of lying, I've lied on Chaz before. I'll come clean right now about it so it never gets dug up and held against me in the future. I've said I was older than I actually am and I also said I got Miley as a rescue. She was not a rescue. My mother purchased her for my younger sister from a petstore and she fell into my hands shortly after as she wasn't picking up on potty training easily. I didn't personally buy her but she was far from a rescue. More like a hand-me-down dog. She wasn't spayed for much of the time I had her either though I lied and said she was. I never had an issue keeping the lads away from her. She had two heats in the time I had her. I got her spayed a year later.



I stayed off the boards for so long because I was so ashamed I had to rehome two of my dogs due to my health. My skin grew tougher and I came back and said it right away so as not to seem like I was hiding anything.

 

[SizzleDog]

Honestly, I think those are some really good questions... Maybe we all need to reflect on that for a minute. I can not speak for others, but I can say that I refer people to Chaz very often. And more often than not I get a "no thanks" or "I'll just lurk" after reading several threads. I asked one for my friends "Why?" ... she told me it was "too intense" for her. I left it at that, I figured maybe we're too active or something ... but who knows?
This is not the first time someone has been afraid to post something in fear of being judged. There's been a couple times that I thought about posting something, but then decided against it. . . but nothing like this

I agree. I actually left for almost a year, partially due to the constant underhanded negative remarks made about my dogs - apparently my dogs (my responsibly bred, naturally protective, healthy dobes from champion parents and a breeder who has been in the breed since 1967) are not worth the air they breathe. They can't possibly be protective, they're from a show breeder. And everyone knows that show-bred dogs are useless and have no protective instinct anymore... blah blah blah. To quote the Andys, Change the Effin Record! People on the internet (who have never met my dogs) know more about them than I do, and even know more about the situations when my dogs acted on their instincts - even though the Internet-people weren't there, and I was. Huh.

I'm not defending Foxy in any way - I smell mackerel, and it's not coming from my house. I'm staying out of this whole mess. But I did want to comment on the post about the sense of entitlement many of us seem to have to judge people's dogs without any solid evidence to back up our "behind-the-keyboard" judgements.

A photo of a Setter with a dead pheasant doesn't mean the dog can hunt. Just because I didn't have a camera with me when a guy tried to attack me and Ronin stepped in and took care of the situation doesn't mean it didn't happen. This is the internet, folks. You'd better have a salt shaker at your desk at all times.

 

[Catsi]

1,000 times YES.

I haven't been around long, so it may very well be the case but I haven't personally felt it.

Coming from someone who has a BYB Chi x who is fear aggressive, but thankfully so far healthy (I pray everyday that she remains so).

Although I don't go screaming from the rooftops that my dog is from a BYB and that she is fear aggressive, it has come up in threads (I have made threads about her behaviourial issues as well) and I have been honest.

Did I do the wrong thing? Umm, yes.

Have I learnt from my experiences? Hell, yes.

Would I do the same thing again? Definitely not.

Do I think I'm a bad dog owner? No, I made mistakes, but I've learnt from them and I will continue to learn for the rest of my life. I'm a better dog owner because of Abby, not in spite of her.

Do I love my dog? I adore her, completely. Warts and all.

But again, I haven't been around long enough to understand the culture of this forum. So I don't really know if I'm qualified to make a judgement... I can only give you my experience.

 

[iwantmypup]

1,000 times YES.

agreed...

 

[CaliTerp07]

1,000 times YES.

I'll second that.

 

[Zhucca]

I have left dog forums and created new accounts because I have gotten family dogs where my mother/family has forced me to get rid off (usually because of moving). I couldn't do anything because in these cases I was under 16... so I've changed forums because I didn't want to deal with what I thought was going to be backlash and harsh judgement. (not on Chaz, btw.) While, I know that isn't the case now that I am older and almost 19. Though I still don`t like mentioning it and figuratively rubbing salt in the wounds..

I don't think FoxyWench can explain this one.

She knowingly lied in all different places of the internet, and accidental litter or not now, she was planning it anyways. She knew better, yet ignored it all.

Also Sizzle and Paige, I was wondering why both of you had a hiatus. Nice to know why now :lol-sign:

 

[Bailey08]

I'm not sure that this is a rescue/BYB/"well" bred issue, though. Or even whether the original post is really relevant anymore, as there seems to be a strong consensus that the thread deletion shouldn't have happened. (I agree that it was probably a panicked reaction.)

It appears fairly clear that are adding up here, and I think it's a bigger issue than this particular instance (though, frankly, I truly do hope that the breeding itself it is another "misstatement of fact").

 

[Dekka]

She knowingly lied in all different places of the internet, and accidental litter or not now, she was planning it anyways. She knew better, yet ignored it all.
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If things are as she says, I have no real issue with the intent on breeding the two... I might not fully agree, but do not have an issue with it.

If the two dogs are healthy and pass health tests, and she plans to breed ethically I am fine.

I am sure some of this forum would have been horribly offended at my Twist/Kaiden breeding (the one that produced Dekka and Snip)

 

[SizzleDog]

In the same way how I thought the way my car sounded while starting last week was a little odd and bizarre, but didn't really think anything of it. Until I was out at Michaels and tried to start it and my battery was dead. Then I was like "OHHHH. Yeah. Now that makes sense. Durp durp."

TOTALLY off topic.. .but this happened to MY car last week too! And I overheard my supervisor's boss talking about her Lexus doing the EXACT same thing last week - dead battery! Did an alien spaceship land on earth last week and cause several thousand car batteries to cr@p out? WTF???? :yikes:

 

[sparks19]

If things are as she says, I have no real issue with the intent on breeding the two... I might not fully agree, but do not have an issue with it.

If the two dogs are healthy and pass health tests, and she plans to breed ethically I am fine.

I am sure some of this forum would have been horribly offended at my Twist/Kaiden breeding (the one that produced Dekka and Snip)

but apparently Ruby has a heart issue

and one dog hasn't been health tested.

but I honestly don't know enough about breeding to know one way or the other unless it was blatant. I could never be a breeder cause I just don't know nearly enough lol

 

[oakash]

I've never said that my dog wasn't spayed, (at least I don't think so...) And she isn't. The reason is because my mom was kinda wanting to breed her. I was too before I found out about Chaz, and ever since, we have kept a close eye on her during her heats. We were going to get her an appointment, but her blood iron is low because of the fleas. Yes, we have fleas too. NOBODY is perfect. And yes, I believe that Chaz comes across as a very opinionated site to an extreme point. I just shudder to think what would have happened had this been a new member, looking for help.

 

[Laurelin]

If things are as she says, I have no real issue with the intent on breeding the two... I might not fully agree, but do not have an issue with it.

If the two dogs are healthy and pass health tests, and she plans to breed ethically I am fine.

I am sure some of this forum would have been horribly offended at my Twist/Kaiden breeding (the one that produced Dekka and Snip)

Personally... as long as the pups are taken care of for life then even if I agree disagree with a breeding, it's not a huge deal to me if the person is honest. If you have a different philosophy on breeding we can agree to disagree. To me that is the most minor issue here and isn't the point of most peoples (i don't think) issues with that thread.

 

[Laurelin]

TOTALLY off topic.. .but this happened to MY car last week too! And I overheard my supervisor's boss talking about her Lexus doing the EXACT same thing last week - dead battery! Did an alien spaceship land on earth last week and cause several thousand car batteries to cr@p out? WTF???? :yikes:

My Lexus died this morning. :lol-sign: