Ron Paul

[MelissaCato]

The IRS is unconstitutional; to. Doesn't mean they will stop taking....

Well if we could elect a Pres that actually does "preserve, protect and defend" ... "the Constitution". The IRS and Federal Reserve would be abolished. The Browns case this past summer is a perfect example of "someone" using the Constitution as it was ment to be concerning the IRS.
The most the Constitution states at best is that income tax is 100% voluntary for labor.
Ok, for those of you who don't know.. in the US Constitution there are two types of american citizens by definition putting them into two types of "Law of this Land" ...

(1) the citizen "subject" born in Washington D.C. and other territories and possessions under the exclusive Sovereignty of the United States (this subject citizen is legislated for without Constitutional protections, under legislative absolutism), and (2) the Sovereign Citizens of one of the 50 states under the Constitution and the law.

Sooo, this means the IRS is powerless to those of us who are Sovereign Citizens and demand our Constitutional Rights. Such as the Browns.
What gets me is this, and it goes back to "court opinions" vs the "Laws of this Land" ...

Our courts ruled (opinion rule) that the Rights of Sovereigns can't be taxed or regulated by the Government. O----K...... heres the catch. In "court" law, the "human" enity is called a "natural person." The "person" referred to in Codes, is a corporate or juristic enity WITHOUT Rights. By concluding a "legal term" for an enity (people) that excluded the Sovereign, the Government NOW has been able to create mass levels of governmental rules and regulations. Ya see ? In addition to all this scam crap we are also the juristic "person" that the government can now throw in the slammer as a force to comply with court "Codes". The Sovereign is NOT the legislative "antural person". Court Opinions flipped the Constitution to benefit the Power from "we the people" by "opinion" only ... not the United States Constitution.
If ya really want to get heated up over this check this out ....

Article II. "Each State retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every Power Jurisdiction* and Right, which is not by this confederation expressly delegated to the United States, in Congress assembled."

This here quote above is an Article of Confederation that was NOT repealed by the Constitution. LMAO

Vote Ron Paul. He will abolish the IRS and Federal Reserve and replace them with NOTHING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[bubbatd]

I was listening to a report last night and they named off the 3 party candidates ....Ron Paul wasn't even mentioned !!!

 

[darkchild16]

Un mod me me if my opinion isnt popular.

Dan really I could give 2 shits about your opinion right now. Its your behavior that I think is below wrong. And cussing another mod out because she is trying to keep things civil is immature and childish!

 

[Herschel]

I was listening to a report last night and they named off the 3 party candidates ....Ron Paul wasn't even mentioned !!!

Grammy, if you watch any of the main-stream media (Fox, NBC, CBS, ABC), they will always fail to mention Ron Paul. It started out as a conspiracy theory, but he beat Rudy Guiliani in Iowa and was only 1,000 votes shy of him in New Hampshire. He is a candidate worth mentioning.

 

[MelissaCato]

Ok, so we now understand Abortion, IRS and touched on Stem Cell.

We all know how the Constitution differs from Court Rulings and just who is in Oath to the Constitution.

What elso should be a topic of remedy concerning Dr Ron Paul ?

Lets talk about the Death Penalty, PA has Capital Punishment, always did since the gallows and "Old Smokey", except if you count the Furman deal which lasted 2 years. Ron Paul did support it back in the 80's but has decided against it since as a Conservative. This is one of the things I don't care for about his campaign.

Any thoughts on Capital Punishment ?

 

[Zoom]

I'd be more for it if I had more faith in our Judicial System. Now some people, like that guy who just threw his four kids off a bridge...line him up for a firing squad by Tuesday.

 

[Renee750il]

Knowing what I know professionally of the legal system from enforcement through to adjudication and how juries work (?), the death penalty is abhorrent to me.

 

[jess2416]

Any thoughts on Capital Punishment ?

There needs to be more of it....

 

[Herschel]

Knowing what I know professionally of the legal system from enforcement through to adjudication and how juries work (?), the death penalty is abhorrent to me.

Ron Paul is against it.

 

[Renee750il]

So are a lot of people

 

[MelissaCato]

Here are the stats since 1968 : Notice the zero's from 1968 - 80. Now what happened in those years in history ? I now know why Ron Paul dropped the Death Penalty and is against a Draft. Very smart man. I can only imagine the possibilities of him becoming our next President.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/tables/exetab.htm

Number of persons executed in the United States, 1930-2007
Year Executions

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1930 155
1931 153
1932 140
1933 160
1934 168
1935 199
1936 195
1937 147
1938 190
1939 160
1940 124
1941 123
1942 147
1943 131
1944 120
1945 117
1946 131
1947 153
1948 119
1949 119
1950 82
1951 105
1952 83
1953 62
1954 81
1955 76
1956 65
1957 65
1958 49
1959 49
1960 56
1961 42
1962 47
1963 21
1964 15
1965 7
1966 1
1967 2
1968 0
1969 0
1970 0
1971 0
1972 0
1973 0
1974 0
1975 0
1976 0
1977 1
1978 0
1979 2
1980 0
1981 1
1982 2
1983 5
1984 21
1985 18
1986 18
1987 25
1988 11
1989 16
1990 23
1991 14
1992 31
1993 38
1994 31
1995 56
1996 45
1997 74
1998 68
1999 98
2000 85
2001 66
2002 71
2003 65
2004 59
2005 60
2006 53
2007 42
Source: Capital Punishment, 2006 - Statistical Tables, December 2007, NCJ 220219

 

[Renee750il]

Wonder how many of those were innocent?

 

[MelissaCato]

Wonder how many of those were innocent?

I know. I wounder how many of those were silenced ?

 

[Herschel]

So are a lot of people

Such as?

 

[GipsyQueen]

'99 was pretty high compaired to the rest...

My friend's sister was in contact with an inmate who was murdered (yep, using that word because IMO it's the proper word.) in Nov, 2005. In her opinion he was inoccent. After hearing his story, he was inoccent in my opinion, too. Wrong place at the wrong time.

 

[Lilavati]

Knowing what I know professionally of the legal system from enforcement through to adjudication and how juries work (?), the death penalty is abhorrent to me.

Ditto. Its not that some people don't deserve to die for their crimes. Some definately do. Its that the death penalty system is dangerously corrupt, unfair, expensive, and inefficent.

We'd be better off locking them up for life . . . and then if we made a mistake, and they turn out to be innocent, its a mistake we can correct. The cost of the system is outrageous . . . and the application of the death penalty often arbitrary.

Sure, there are people that I would love to see dragged out into the street and shot for what they have done. Heck, there are a few people for whom burning at the stake would be too good.

But the social cost of the death penalty is just too high, and the system to damaged to be salvaged. Time to join the rest of the civilized world and get rid of the bloody thng.

 

[ACooper]

'99 was pretty high compaired to the rest...

My friend's sister was in contact with an inmate who was murdered (yep, using that word because IMO it's the proper word.) in Nov, 2005. In her opinion he was inoccent. After hearing his story, he was inoccent in my opinion, too. Wrong place at the wrong time.

*not trying to pick on you in any way Gypsy*

Without knowing the story of which you speak and all the facts/evidence........I just find it hard to believe that it was just wrong place wrong time.

The people who get the death sentence wait an incredibly long time before it's carried out (years and years most cases).........have appeals, and opportunities to present new evidence. They normally have supporters (EVEN the WORST offenders) on the outside doing what they can as well. And especially with todays technology of DNA and all types of evidence, I just can't believe it.

..........innocent of THAT crime maybe, but not innocent in general if you understand what I am saying.

Now perhaps I live in a fairy world IDK

Side note: BRING BACK CHAIN GANGS IN ALL 50 STATES! Tire them out, less guards, get them used to working all day instead of relaxing!

 

[Renee750il]

Such as?

Ask people you talk to - you'll find a percentage who think the death penalty should be off the table.

 

[Zoom]

Side note: BRING BACK CHAIN GANGS IN ALL 50 STATES! Tire them out, less guards, get them used to working all day instead of relaxing!

Now there's an idea. So a large portion of the US is b*tching because the illegals are taking away American jobs but companies don't want to pay working wages...so let's kill two birds with one stone. Have the convicts pick the cotton, harvest the fruit, repave the roads, what have you. Companies would see higher profits because they wouldn't get busted for huge fees for large amounts of illegals, they could probably get away with paying an even lower wage and we could all feel good about having American labor used to get our produce to us.

 

[bubbatd]

Agree with making them work for the free living we're giving them !!! We are too soft on most prisoners ......