Pit bull. A breed in itself?
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. The AKC and CKC have too many rules and regulations that actually promote some bad breeding practices....especially for working dogs.
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It depends on the breeder who you get the pit bull from. True pits are supposed to have a very strong unbelievable drive. Alot of pit bulls, now days, have a poor drives due to bad breeding from horrible blood lines. Pits are not supposed to be couch potatos, but many of them are. As long as you get a pit with a low drive, he should be fine in an apartment, but he will still need lots of exercise.
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That is true. My rottie mix would have never been good for an apartment, if she was not sleeping, she was looking for something to do including chewing things and running around the house untill she broke something. She would become bored and destructive within 10 minutes. I even took her for a mile walk twice per day. I would not recomend an active dog, like kahlua, to live in an apartment. Unless you could put up with lots of destruction!
After Athe's mini-novel, I don't have a lot to add to the AmStaff vs APBT debate. The AKC isn't the end all, be all organization it touts itself to be, and so it's rather naive to judge a dog's worth and "breed/purebred" status on registration alone. Australian Shepherds weren't recognized until the mid 90's, and that was even after huge protests by the ASCA and USASC, similar to what went on with the border collies.
I think a knowledgeable and dedicated owner can make any breed work in any situation. Yes, an apartment is smaller and the owner needs to work harder to keep the dog exercised and occupied. Yet at the same time, I have a fairly large house and I would be hard pressed to keep a dog like Saje's Newf in it.
I think a knowledgeable and dedicated owner can make any breed work in any situation. Yes, an apartment is smaller and the owner needs to work harder to keep the dog exercised and occupied. Yet at the same time, I have a fairly large house and I would be hard pressed to keep a dog like Saje's Newf in it.
the term PITBULL is used to categorize a number of breeds, including the American Pitbull Terrier, the American Staffordshire Terrier, and the Staffordshire Bull Terrier.....it is not just ONE breed though...alot of times people think it means APBT..but it doesn't...it can mean any of the three breeds I mentioned...
The American Pitbull Terrier was in fact the first "pitbull"..it was used for fighting in Brittain, and then transported to the states and renamed AMERICAN...from that, people decided to begin showing the dog and registered with the UKC...renamed the breed, and after years of selective breeding, it became known as the AMERICAN STAFFORDSHIRE TERRIER..in reality, the APBT and the Staff Terrier..are one in the same... the main difference is that one was used for fighting, the other became a show dog..hence differences in appearance and certain characteristics.... they are different breeds of dog, but fall into the same category known as the pitbull...
The staffordshire bull terrier is quite a bit different in appearance pretty much for the same reason..it was bred for a different purpose but again, stems from the bulldogs that the american pitbull terrier was born from...
I hope that helps...there's alot of confusion with this whole pitbull thing..lol
The American Pitbull Terrier was in fact the first "pitbull"..it was used for fighting in Brittain, and then transported to the states and renamed AMERICAN...from that, people decided to begin showing the dog and registered with the UKC...renamed the breed, and after years of selective breeding, it became known as the AMERICAN STAFFORDSHIRE TERRIER..in reality, the APBT and the Staff Terrier..are one in the same... the main difference is that one was used for fighting, the other became a show dog..hence differences in appearance and certain characteristics.... they are different breeds of dog, but fall into the same category known as the pitbull...
The staffordshire bull terrier is quite a bit different in appearance pretty much for the same reason..it was bred for a different purpose but again, stems from the bulldogs that the american pitbull terrier was born from...
I hope that helps...there's alot of confusion with this whole pitbull thing..lol
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The only difference between the three breeds is that they went to different countries where they were bred for different things, but they all started out in the same country as staffies. The ones that came to the US turned into the pit bull, and he was bred for working. The ones that came to the US, for show, were called am staffs. And the staffies that stayed in the UK were pretty much kept the same. Americans like bigger dogs , and that is why pits and am staffs are bigger than the staffies. All three breeds were under 30 pounds in the breeds early years. All three of them are seperate breeds, now.
rottiegirl... I don't really agree with that..the first "pits" weren't staffies according to my research..they were just bulldog type mixes that were eventually named american pitbull terriers...and although they did originate form the UK...the American Staffordshire Terrier was recognized far later than the American Pitbull Terrier... it was the APBT that came first...but when dog fighting started to become illegal and people started questioning it, people started selectively breeding pitbulls to match specific characteristics for show, and so was born the Staff Terrier..it wasn't vice versa though..the american pitbull terrier was not born from the staffordshire bull terrier..
well, that's what I read anyways..
well, that's what I read anyways..
That's what I've gotten from my reading too, pitbulliest. In all of the books, articles, websites and people I've talked to they all say that the APBT came first.
I researched the APBT for 3 months prior to bringing home my Mojo. BadRap (http://www.badrap.org) was the first place I started to use as a pit bull educational tool, then PBRC (http://www.pbrc.net) and so on and so forth.
I researched the APBT for 3 months prior to bringing home my Mojo. BadRap (http://www.badrap.org) was the first place I started to use as a pit bull educational tool, then PBRC (http://www.pbrc.net) and so on and so forth.
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You know what? I think you are right. I got a little mixed up. Yes, pit bulls were the first ones, not staffies. Staffies are the product of UK breeding, they like smaller compact dogs. When the pit came to the US, some people started breeding them for show, which produced the am staff. And the people who bred for working only, stayed with the original pit bull type. This sure can get a little confusing! Thanks for correcting me!
ABPT and Amstaff are very close, in the UKC you can registrate an Amstaff as a APBT. About 65 years ago they were the same breed.
Shire does not mean Sire, it refers to a region (Staffordshire) in England.
They are wonderful dogs and are Fantastic with kids. They can be dominant with other dogs but this does not always mean aggressive. Both my dogs are very dominant in the way they play but have never become aggressive. They do have a very strong drive or attraction to other dogs, what they do with that drive is up to you. You can not tolerate any aggression in this dog and must socialize them, that is the responsiblity of owning this breed (any breed for that matter).
Also The Staffy or Staffordshire Bull Terrier of England is called the "Nanny Dog" by many people in England because the Staffy is so good and tolerant with children.
Shire does not mean Sire, it refers to a region (Staffordshire) in England.
They are wonderful dogs and are Fantastic with kids. They can be dominant with other dogs but this does not always mean aggressive. Both my dogs are very dominant in the way they play but have never become aggressive. They do have a very strong drive or attraction to other dogs, what they do with that drive is up to you. You can not tolerate any aggression in this dog and must socialize them, that is the responsiblity of owning this breed (any breed for that matter).
Also The Staffy or Staffordshire Bull Terrier of England is called the "Nanny Dog" by many people in England because the Staffy is so good and tolerant with children.