Newbie Problem

[juliefurry]

I respect your opinion. Still for me, that is cruelty and discrimination. You would severe the dogs "joy" because of a "show"? Poor dogs.

it's not really their "joy" if they are not using it. A dog who is intact and not bred doesn't really get much "joy" out of his manhood. Both my dogs are from breeders and one is spayed and the other will be soon. I would rather my dogs live long healthy lives without the unneccasary risk of ovarian cancer when they aren't even being bred.

 

[Bowowee]

mostly because the people that come on here that are breeders don't need to ask how to breed the dogs they are breeding because they already researched and have been there through breedings of dogs not their own. Also they have mentors to help. They can go to a breeder of the same breed of dog for help when they have questions. When someone comes on saying they are a breeder and there dog is in heat what do they do it raises a red flag for everyone.

Oh well, at least your nice. Thanks.

 

[juliefurry]

Oh well, at least your nice. Thanks.

I know how it is to be treated ignorantly on forums. I was just basically forced off a forum because I asked about a breeder and obviously this forum thought it was unfair and I was a HORRIBLE person so I try.

 

[Bowowee]

I know how it is to be treated ignorantly on forums. I was just basically forced off a forum because I asked about a breeder and obviously this forum thought it was unfair and I was a HORRIBLE person so I try.

I'm glad there are still nice and civilized people left in this forum. I came here to make friends and to broaden my knowledge about dogs. I'm not perfect, nor am I a perfectionist. I don't want to argue but I won't back out from one especially when someone is throwing derogatory remarks at me. Thanks Juliefurry. Good Luck with your dogs.

 

[Gallien Jacks]

Ok, why dont you start again, first could you please anwser my other question, then list the questions you have, you say you want to learn, fine but you have to post things a little more clearly, what is it you want to know?

 

[YorkieLover]

I don't even know why this thread is still going, this person could care a less about the advise, suggestions & even experiences given by the reputable breeders on this forum. The person has failed to answer ligitimate questions and continues to argue about spay/neuter... I know I'm not going to waste anymore of my time on this one.

 

[showpug]

I respect your opinion. Still for me, that is cruelty and discrimination. You would severe the dogs "joy" because of a "show"? Poor dogs.

If severing a dog's joy means preventing pyometra, testicular cancer, ovarian cancer and the far too common mammary cancer than you bet I would! Let me guess...you are unfamiliar with pyometra and how common it is and how often it takes the life of a bitch all because she's not spayed. You may call it discrimination, but I call it being responsible. Please educate yourself more on dogs in general...

 

[Manchesters]

Arrogant? Well, let me ask you this.......just WHAT have you done toward improving any of the breeds you let "have joy"? At least my efforts with Toy Manchesters HAS served to improve upon the breed as a whole.

Would you mind sharing with us what your age is? That would help us comprehend your viewpoint quite a bit.

I will tell you this-----you know NOTHING about dogs. What you consider arrogance, is KNOWLEDGE, EDUCATION, and RESPONSIBILITY.

Since you are obviously very new, and I also suspect very young, you have the chance here of learning how to become a responsible dog owner.......and all of us here are happy to help. But again, it would help to know what we should or should not expect you to already know. So work with us, and help us help you!

 

[Martine]

I'm sure you love your dogs, but please think carefully before you add to the dog population. Maybe visit a shelter and see the results of irresponsible breeding and non neutering and spaying. Seeing all those poor homeless dogs breaks your heart. People on Chaz are generally not trying to be unkind, but are they passionate about the welfare of dogs. Today alone I came across two 'intact' male dogs out searching for a female in heat. It is instinct, not joy that drives them. I can't remember where I read / saw it, but I think humans (and maybe dolphins?) are the only creatures that have sex purely for pleasure.

There are people on here with a wealth of experience but you do have to be clear with your questions or you can be misunderstood. Good luck with your search for answers!

 

[Bowowee]

Arrogant? Well, let me ask you this.......just WHAT have you done toward improving any of the breeds you let "have joy"? At least my efforts with Toy Manchesters HAS served to improve upon the breed as a whole.

Would you mind sharing with us what your age is? That would help us comprehend your viewpoint quite a bit.

I will tell you this-----you know NOTHING about dogs. What you consider arrogance, is KNOWLEDGE, EDUCATION, and RESPONSIBILITY.

Since you are obviously very new, and I also suspect very young, you have the chance here of learning how to become a responsible dog owner.......and all of us here are happy to help. But again, it would help to know what we should or should not expect you to already know. So work with us, and help us help you!

Well, you sure are arrogant and mean. How dare you call me a puppy miller! How dare you call me a backyard breeder! My website may not be pretty as yours but that doesn't make me a dog peddler! I'm not cruel to my pets! You don't even know me man! I know a lot of good breeders but none of them are as arrogant as you are. Putting people down and calling them names is not expected of highly civilized individuals. You may be a good breeder but you're not much of a person. Help me? Are you sure about that? Are you capable of doing that? Other peeps here are nice, yes they can help others like me...not you machester. All you do is brag and put people down.

 

[Bowowee]

I'm sure you love your dogs, but please think carefully before you add to the dog population. Maybe visit a shelter and see the results of irresponsible breeding and non neutering and spaying. Seeing all those poor homeless dogs breaks your heart. People on Chaz are generally not trying to be unkind, but are they passionate about the welfare of dogs. Today alone I came across two 'intact' male dogs out searching for a female in heat. It is instinct, not joy that drives them. I can't remember where I read / saw it, but I think humans (and maybe dolphins?) are the only creatures that have sex purely for pleasure.

There are people on here with a wealth of experience but you do have to be clear with your questions or you can be misunderstood. Good luck with your search for answers!

I sure do respect your opinion. You have a very good point. Maybe spaying and neutering is not so bad after all. Thank you. I sure wish some people here will be as polite and as nice as you. There is no conflict when we know how to respect other people.

 

[bubbatd]

I just brought my foster dog home after being neutered. I didn't spay or neuter some of my dogs when breeding either. One of my males got testicular cancer at 9 ..had him neutered and he lived until 15. Then one of my females had pyrometra ...it was terrible but the vet cleared it up as I was hoping to get a female from her . She produced a single male ...........so she was spayed.

 

[bubbatd]

Bow....Manchester has a wealth of information to pass on...she does ride a broom stick sometimes , so try get past that. We've all had her on our cases.

 

[AmberwayGSD]

Manchesters is just blunt and to the point.She is nice and helpful.She was trying to give you good advice,you just took her wrong.I agree with her though.If you need to ask questions about breeding than perhaps you should leave it to people that know what they are doing.Just my Opinion though.

 

[Manchesters]

OK.......No arrogance (ROFL) just the facts.

No pedigrees
No health checks
Do not spay or neuter
No showing either obedience or conformation
No reason for breeding other than to produce and sell puppies
Absolutely no knowledge of breeding


Now..........just what are the qualifications of a BYB?
Breeds more than 2 breeds of dogs
No health testing
Does not show their dogs
Do not spay or neuter their dogs
Have no knowledge of the bloodlines of their dogs
Have puppies only to sell or to add to their breeding stock


I rest my case.

Now, as I said......just how old are you, so we know what we should expect you to know. Are you interested in breeding for quality or just to have puppies to sell? If all you want is to sell puppies to make money, you will not fare well among real dog lovers.

The next move is yours. And please quit the name calling----you are very immature.

 

[Manchesters]

Oh--almost forgot. Thank you for the compliment about my website.

 

[Julie]

Well, you sure are arrogant and mean. How dare you call me a puppy miller! How dare you call me a backyard breeder! My website may not be pretty as yours but that doesn't make me a dog peddler! I'm not cruel to my pets! You don't even know me man! I know a lot of good breeders but none of them are as arrogant as you are. Putting people down and calling them names is not expected of highly civilized individuals. You may be a good breeder but you're not much of a person. Help me? Are you sure about that? Are you capable of doing that? Other peeps here are nice, yes they can help others like me...not you machester. All you do is brag and put people down.

A backyard breeder does not neccesarily mean you are cruel to your pets.
It means all of machesters said.
plus someone breeding just to have the experience of it with no real knowledge, just putting two dogs together, then selling the pups. A backyard breeder can love their pups too. But it is just not good practice.
A good breeder does health tests, temperment tests, knows breed standards and breeds to confirmation. A good breeder will also not have 3 or 4 different breeds of dogs. Just keeping a good supply for the demand????

I really would like to know one thing, Bowowee. Why did you ask about your dog being in heat for two days and then ask about breeding her?
If you have kennels and breed dogs, why didn't you know when and what to do? Is this your parents kennels? If so, I think alot of us would have more understanding to your situation.

And Manchesters is just Manchesters. She tells you what she thinks and does it with a flair. Dont be offended by her, she really is trying to share her experiences and knowledge. Not one to beat around the bush, so to speak.
I enjoy reading her posts and learning some of what she has to offer.

Do you sell your pups to petshops? or directly to new homes?

 

[Manchesters]

Yuppers, I am what I am what I am. I do not have the time or energy to beat around the bush. And I have made every effort to be civil in this thread. Some people however are just to obtuse to pick up on what other folks ask.

What we have here seems to be a very young individual with absolutely no first hand knowledge or experience of any aspect of dog breeding or pet ownership. Why she would have a problem just accepting the fact that she is starting out at square one, and start learning from there is beyond me. Of course she is not a BYB......she does not even know what the term implies. BUT.......neither does she seem too eager to learn how to avoid becoming a BYB.

Sooooooo.....phooey on the whole thing! I have wasted too much time, and strained myself trying to remain ladylike, roflmbo. There are many others here who can try to guide this person down the correct path for being a responsible dog owner----which mostly involves NOT breeding pet dogs! So, folks........I leave it in you all's capable hands!!!!!

 

[yuckaduck]

I am getting here rather late but I do have a few things to say. All of which have been said.

No pedigree, no titles, no working the dogs, no spay, no neuter....these all make me shake my head. I would be very concerned about purchasing a puppy from someone with this type of website. JMO

Manchesters: very nice, very knowledgeable, but she says it like it easy. No sugar coating things, and those of us who really know her, love her for that.

I also have very deep concerns about

"I breed Beagles" and " This is my first dog" also the fact that others have asked and no where did you answer. That is how you got labelled a troll because you contradict yourself and it gives the opinion of a troll. I am not saying you are I am just explaining how that came about.

I agree 100% with Manchesters and I rest my case right along with her because she said it way better then I ever could.

 

[Bowowee]

My website is still not finished neither do I claim that it is perfect. If it lacks anything essential I'd be happy to hear your comments from you folks, I'd really love that. But please, don't call me names, and don't bully me around coz I don't think I deserve that. Opinions may vary about neutering and spaying, so I respect your opinion regarding that matter. If I said anything offensive I'm sorry. I just got mad with some arrogant, and egocentric folks out there. As you know, when people get angry, they tend to say things that they don't really mean. As I've told you our opinions may vary on certain things because we have different circumstances. Whats wrong with breeding more than 2 breeds? I live on my farm, I have 30 helpers, 2 resident vets, and lots of other animals. I'm 29 years old, very independent, and already on stable ground. I have very good managerial skills and with all the help I got its not pretty hard to maintain. Still, I'd like to seek the opinions and advice of other people because I know, there are a lot of folks out there that are a whole lot better than I am. I believe that there is always room for improvement.

English is also not my native language. There will be times that I will commit errors especially on grammar. It is possible that I may be often misunderstood. Still, in my original post I did not say anything offensive. What did I get from these so called "responsible breeders"? Just crap, crap, crap, crap. Some of you called me a troll, backyard breeder, puppy miller, etc. Well, maybe too much responsible dog breeding made you a dog brain, especially one person out there. If you have so much knowledge about dogs, stay humble, don't brag and push people around. Especially the newbies. You can say your opinions in a polite and civilized manner. If you don't want to help don't say anything mean.

Smile in Peace!!!