labradoodles?
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Why is everyone being rude to Summit? Just because she doesnt agree with the breeder. The OP knew the risk of this turning into a debate before she posted it. Summit was not debating anything, just stating an opinion. Its the other people who reply to it, that makes it a debate. An argument takes TWO people. If you dont want a debate dont reply to it.
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I would say they aren't that great.
1. No mention of pups/year
2. No mention of price
3. No mention of health guarantees
4. No mention of parents
5. No mention of OFA or CERF certs on parents
It's just not good. Only from the breeder question standpoint, not mentioning that it's 'doodles' or what they say about 'em on the site.
1. No mention of pups/year
2. No mention of price
3. No mention of health guarantees
4. No mention of parents
5. No mention of OFA or CERF certs on parents
It's just not good. Only from the breeder question standpoint, not mentioning that it's 'doodles' or what they say about 'em on the site.
I'm not sure you were on the same site...I read about all but the price and pups/year. Also, not saying they're great but it's worth mentioning that they do encourage a visit to their property to meet the pups and parents and are experienced breeders. They make no false claims and if you read the "about us" and the "about Labradoodles" sections, I don't believe they are BYB's.
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You know what i think? I think that labbreeder is trying to bring down the lab/poodle mix because she wants to "promote" "her" breed. labbreeder, every single labradoodle thread that i've been to, you have been the first to start the debates. Well you know what? if you dont like it, dont enter the thread! Simple as that, nothing useful to say than dont say it. All she was asking for was if this was a good breeder, as did I in my earlier thread.
All dogs are awesome!
Should you research a lot to find a good breeder? yes. Not just for Labradoodles but any dog.
I think someone mentioned on another thread, that BYB's of any breed of dog are bad... Not all labradoodle breeders are BYB's. Yes there are some that are just in it for the money, and yes there are some that just love the look/temperment of the dog.
There's always good and bad. You just have to make an educated decision.
There are plenty of bad purebred dog breeders out there.
Should you research a lot to find a good breeder? yes. Not just for Labradoodles but any dog.
I think someone mentioned on another thread, that BYB's of any breed of dog are bad... Not all labradoodle breeders are BYB's. Yes there are some that are just in it for the money, and yes there are some that just love the look/temperment of the dog.
There's always good and bad. You just have to make an educated decision.
There are plenty of bad purebred dog breeders out there.
I can understand why a purebred lab enthusiast would be upset over their breed of dog being used to create mixes for profit. The Labrador Retriever Club doesn't support the Labradoodle:
The Labrador Retriever Club, Incorporated is dedicated to the health and welfare of the Labrador Retriever breed while conserving the original breed function - that of a "working retriever." A purebred dog offers to his owner the likelihood that he will be a specific size, shape, color and temperament. The predictability of a breed comes from selection for traits that are desirable and away from traits that are undesirable. When a breed standard or type is set, the animals within that breed have less heterozygosity than do animals in a random population
A Labradoodle is nothing more than an expensive mongrel. Because the genetic makeup is diverse from the Poodle genes and the Labrador genes, the resultant first generation (F1) offspring is a complete genetic gamble. The dog may be any size, color, coat texture and temperament. Indeed Labradoodles do shed. Their coat may be wiry or silky and may mat. Body shape varies with parentage but tends to be lanky and narrow. Behavior varies with the dog and within a litter with some puppies poodle-like in attitude and others somewhat like the Labrador Retriever.
The Labrador Retriever Club, Inc. is opposed to cross-breeding of dogs and is particularly opposed to the deliberate crossing of Labrador Retrievers with any other breed. These crossbreds are a deliberate attempt to mislead the public with the idea that there is an advantage to these designer dogs. The crossbred dogs are prone to all of the genetic disease of both breeds and offer none of the advantages that owning a purebred dog has to offer.
Frances S. Smith DVM, Ph.D.
LRC, Inc. Board of Directors
Diplomate American College of Theriogenology
June 20, 2005
http://thelabradorclub.com/library/labradoodle.html
The Labrador Retriever Club, Incorporated is dedicated to the health and welfare of the Labrador Retriever breed while conserving the original breed function - that of a "working retriever." A purebred dog offers to his owner the likelihood that he will be a specific size, shape, color and temperament. The predictability of a breed comes from selection for traits that are desirable and away from traits that are undesirable. When a breed standard or type is set, the animals within that breed have less heterozygosity than do animals in a random population
A Labradoodle is nothing more than an expensive mongrel. Because the genetic makeup is diverse from the Poodle genes and the Labrador genes, the resultant first generation (F1) offspring is a complete genetic gamble. The dog may be any size, color, coat texture and temperament. Indeed Labradoodles do shed. Their coat may be wiry or silky and may mat. Body shape varies with parentage but tends to be lanky and narrow. Behavior varies with the dog and within a litter with some puppies poodle-like in attitude and others somewhat like the Labrador Retriever.
The Labrador Retriever Club, Inc. is opposed to cross-breeding of dogs and is particularly opposed to the deliberate crossing of Labrador Retrievers with any other breed. These crossbreds are a deliberate attempt to mislead the public with the idea that there is an advantage to these designer dogs. The crossbred dogs are prone to all of the genetic disease of both breeds and offer none of the advantages that owning a purebred dog has to offer.
Frances S. Smith DVM, Ph.D.
LRC, Inc. Board of Directors
Diplomate American College of Theriogenology
June 20, 2005
http://thelabradorclub.com/library/labradoodle.html
Roxy's CD said:
All dogs are awesome!
Should you research a lot to find a good breeder? yes. Not just for Labradoodles but any dog.
I think someone mentioned on another thread, that BYB's of any breed of dog are bad... Not all labradoodle breeders are BYB's. Yes there are some that are just in it for the money, and yes there are some that just love the look/temperment of the dog.
There's always good and bad. You just have to make an educated decision.
There are plenty of bad purebred dog breeders out there.
Should you research a lot to find a good breeder? yes. Not just for Labradoodles but any dog.
I think someone mentioned on another thread, that BYB's of any breed of dog are bad... Not all labradoodle breeders are BYB's. Yes there are some that are just in it for the money, and yes there are some that just love the look/temperment of the dog.
There's always good and bad. You just have to make an educated decision.
There are plenty of bad purebred dog breeders out there.
I mean lets do the math, labs, goldens (which I do like) have what...up to 10..sometimes more pups. How many are sold to family homes and how many are used to "better the line"...
There are terrific breeders out there but they are unfortunately hugely out numbered by the bad ones...hence breed specific rescues.
Like I said before, in my perfect world ALL BREEDERS would be regulated to the nuts.
Why is this so important to you. Oh and by the way, using the word mongrel to drive your point home just speaks to what I said about your last post.
How many of these dogs do you know. Honestly now, not just to prove your point but really...have you met any? You all talk about the Labradoodle like it's an alien rather than, like all other breeds once were, a dog bred with a purpose in mind...maybe not what you consider important but how many of the pure breds are actually doing what they were bred for?
I only ask because I think if you or anyone else really were closer to the issue you would see that none of us promote BYB's, be it pure bred or mixed. Again, please go back to OP....why???
How many of these dogs do you know. Honestly now, not just to prove your point but really...have you met any? You all talk about the Labradoodle like it's an alien rather than, like all other breeds once were, a dog bred with a purpose in mind...maybe not what you consider important but how many of the pure breds are actually doing what they were bred for?
I only ask because I think if you or anyone else really were closer to the issue you would see that none of us promote BYB's, be it pure bred or mixed. Again, please go back to OP....why???
GSDlover_4ever said:
That was very rude. You guys are starting the debate. Now labbreeder will come back and defend herself which is something she has every right to do.
And then it all begins.
And then it all begins.
LOL, I agree in a sense. It's dependent on what the animal is for. If you are using a lab for field work, than yes, a lab will 9 times out of 10 maybe even 9.9 times out of 10 (LOL) be better.
But as a pet? Any dog can be a great pet. A labradoodle or a lab. Of course the lab will generally be better at what it was BRED for, but as for being a pet any dog can be a good pet.
LOL@ dr2little. Maybe you should put your protective gear on just in case.. I don't want to see you get hurt
LOL
It's important to me because for two years it was my job to euthanize the overwhelming number of dogs in two different counties. Plenty were Labs and Lab mixes, and yes - one or two were Lab/Poodle mixes with temperament problems. It was also my job to go out and investigate the backyard breeders and puppymills that we received complaints about. I'm well aware that there are great numbers of BYB/PM in purebreds. I've met many mixed-breed breeders offline and on, and I've yet to find one that truly fit the mold for a responsible breeder.
And as for purebreds doing what they were bred for - I'm not a fan of people with working/herding breeds that simply show their breeding stock in conformation. I had racing Siberians for nine years, and my dogs DID do what they were bred to do.
I simply cannot justify supporting someone who is producing dogs solely to sell to the pet market when there are plenty of pets in existence today. I euthanized way too many dogs (mixed and pure) produced by people like this.
And by the way, I didn't use the word mongrel. That was in the article from the national breed club that I quoted.
And as for purebreds doing what they were bred for - I'm not a fan of people with working/herding breeds that simply show their breeding stock in conformation. I had racing Siberians for nine years, and my dogs DID do what they were bred to do.
I simply cannot justify supporting someone who is producing dogs solely to sell to the pet market when there are plenty of pets in existence today. I euthanized way too many dogs (mixed and pure) produced by people like this.
And by the way, I didn't use the word mongrel. That was in the article from the national breed club that I quoted.
I agree with you, as would any other reasonable person. This was never to me, or any other OP using the word Labradoodle, about doodles of every description. The word Labradoodle is what insites all of the negative/rude responses. Funny as this was the only "oodle" that was bred with a purpose in mind...again, not referring to BYB's.
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Yes, but people got rediculous with it and unfortunately many breed enthusiasts are p*ssed because of the recent outburst of the "doodles". I understand the want for a less allergetic dog (not many poeple are fans of poodles). People creating these new doodles saw the money involved in labradoodles and wanted to make money. The labradoodle could have became a recognized breed (years down the lines) but probably will take MUCH longer because people are not focused on one "doodle" and are wasting there time tryting to promote other doodles.
May I ask how many "Labradoodles" anyone has ever seen with therapy certifications? Or actively doing therapy work? Or actively being used as a guide dog? I've seen none first-hand, personally. I've heard from many other folks more heavily involved in therapy work that they have not seen them either. They're being bred and sold as pets for the most part. That's turned into the purpose of the breed, a nice pet.
Roxy's CD said:
LOL@ dr2little. Maybe you should put your protective gear on just in case.. I don't want to see you get hurt LOL
LOL
All I could find was my son's cup. Not sure but I think I have it on backwards...is my butt supposed to hurt? Anyway, snapped it on (ouch) and yes I agree. I think you're point is a good one. Labradoodles were bred as non-shed therapy dogs and while many do shed, the one's that don't (Sophie included) would be better suited than a lab for that purpose. I'd love to get into a room with all those on both sides, and an enormous bottle of valium. There's so much to say, too much to type, and way too much anger.
....ooohhh..
my butt hurts....