Hmm....Mordy?

[showpug]

I see. So, me giving Peanut a bite out of my sandwich every once in a while is a good thing, then?

Nedim, more like some of the meat out of your sandwich instead of a bite out of the whole thing. Dogs really don't need the bread part. They benefit mostly from table scraps that are meats, vegetables and some fruits. You don't even have to do it every once and a while. You can give Peanut healthy table scraps on a daily basis as long as you make sure she does not become overweight. She'll love you for it too.

 

[nedim]

Nedim, more like some of the meat out of your sandwich instead of a bite out of the whole thing. Dogs really don't need the bread part. They benefit mostly from table scraps that are meats, vegetables and some fruits. You don't even have to do it every once and a while. You can give Peanut healthy table scraps on a daily basis as long as you make sure she does not become overweight. She'll love you for it too.

Ok, thank you showpug.

 

[Zoom]

Aww, and here I thought I was doing the right thing by not giving Sawyer human food. Ok, I guess the leftover meatloaf and potatoes are his then.

 

[Mordy]

nedim, i don't think you sound rude or pushy at all. this is one of the great debates that i've seen coming up now and then on every dog forum i post at.

renee and showpug gave great answers, there isn't much more i can say to elaborate on the topic.

no, farmers don't pay a lot of money, but they often breed their own successor working dogs, or get a new one from another farmer nearby. these dogs aren't manipulated and overbred.

since you are interested in this topic, i highly recommend the book "dogs : a new understanding of canine origin, behavior and evolution" by ray and lorna coppinger. it's one of the most fascinating books on the topic of dogs i've read.

the decision to bring dogs in for yearly vaccines is completely arbitrary, and as new research shows, unnecessary. it's yet another field where misinformation is widespread and people don't have easy access to correct information. things are looking up since all the vet schools in the US officially changed their protocols tho.

 

[nedim]

nedim, i don't think you sound rude or pushy at all. this is one of the great debates that i've seen coming up now and then on every dog forum i post at.

renee and showpug gave great answers, there isn't much more i can say to elaborate on the topic.

no, farmers don't pay a lot of money, but they often breed their own successor working dogs, or get a new one from another farmer nearby. these dogs aren't manipulated and overbred.

since you are interested in this topic, i highly recommend the book "dogs : a new understanding of canine origin, behavior and evolution" by ray and lorna coppinger. it's one of the most fascinating books on the topic of dogs i've read.

the decision to bring dogs in for yearly vaccines is completely arbitrary, and as new research shows, unnecessary. it's yet another field where misinformation is widespread and people don't have easy access to correct information. things are looking up since all the vet schools in the US officially changed their protocols tho.

Thank you . I was afraid I sounded a bit bossy there. Any idea where i can pick up that book?

 

[adamnaubry]

Unfortunately for renters on the vaccination thing, where I live all landowners require proof that your dog is up-to-date on their vaccinations before they will let you rent with a pet. So it's not just vets and pharmaceuticals.

 

[Mordy]

nedim, i know amazon has it for sale for under $12.

adamnaubry, the only vaccination legally required in the US is rabies, and what exactly "up to date" is depends on your state/county/city. california for example only has a 3-year requirement.

 

[nedim]

nedim, i know amazon has it for sale for under $12.

adamnaubry, the only vaccination legally required in the US is rabies, and what exactly "up to date" is depends on your state/county/city. california for example only has a 3-year requirement.

Thanks, but I dont think I'll buy off line. Anybook stores, maybe?

 

[Mordy]

hmm. i buy most of my books online because you get better deals. e.g. amazon gives you free shipping on most orders of $25 and more, plus the books are usually at least $2-3 cheaper than when you buy them at a regular store.

i do know barnes & noble and borders have the book on their sites, but you'll probably have to special order it in-store. the ISBN number is 0226115631.

 

[nedim]

hmm. i buy most of my books online because you get better deals. e.g. amazon gives you free shipping on most orders of $25 and more, plus the books are usually at least $2-3 cheaper than when you buy them at a regular store.

i do know barnes & noble and borders have the book on their sites, but you'll probably have to special order it in-store. the ISBN number is 0226115631.

Ok, thanks Mordy!

 

[Whitedobelover]

nedim it is because they dont get all these chemicals pushed thru their bodies they only have all natural and that is what a dog is supposed to have. not all these chemicals and stuff we pump into them...

 

[Ash47]

This thread has really made me rethink the whole vaccination issue. I guess it's the same as when we are given the choice every year to get a flu shot. I never get mine and I never get the flu. My first dog Bruno only got his Rabies shot every year. None of the others the vets try to push on you.

 

[BigDog2191]

This thread has really made me rethink the whole vaccination issue. I guess it's the same as when we are given the choice every year to get a flu shot. I never get mine and I never get the flu. My first dog Bruno only got his Rabies shot every year. None of the others the vets try to push on you.

I thought it was SUPPOSED to be every year?

 

[bubbatd]

Nedim...you started a very good topic. I think a lot of vets are asking the very same questions. ( e,g, shots) I know our clinic is spreading them out now. When I was little ,we had an Irish Setter. Tony was given a can of dog food a day ( no kibble available then ) Our town didn't have a vet, and if I remember correctly, we got a rabies shot once a year in a city 60 miles away. He was 17 when he died. I feel a good balance of food is important. As to immunizations, I'd hate to take a chance and not do them. I too feel that show breeding has changed their health.....the best in show is probably not the healthiest in the long run. Mutts are the servival of the fittest.... Our cat , Minou, only had her kitty shots....she lived to be 22 .

 

[Zoom]

I thought it was SUPPOSED to be every year?

There are three-year versions of the rabies vacc. out now.

I don't like all the vaccinations, all those chemicals make me nervous, but I at least have to keep up on rabies and bordatella. The first is obvious, the second one is required by work. He's got the full array of stuff current right now, but I'm going to look into only renewing the two key ones. Do dogs need a new parvo shot every year or is that a one time thing?

 

[Fran27]

Well you can always ask for titters (sp?), which show if the vaccination is still good. I will probably do that personally.

 

[yuckaduck]

It depends on the vet you go to and how much money they wish to make. Some vets here say ever year no matter what and others say every three years. We even have a new vet who is saying every six years. Big difference and the only thing I know for sure is we are doing rabies every year because it is rampid here and we live in the wild. Lots of racoons, skunks, porcupines, foxes...for the others it will be every three years. Heartworm is every year too because that is running rampid.

 

[filarotten]

When Brutus got his rabies vac last month the date was for 3 years. I do keep up with the parvo yearly as Roxie being a rottie is more prone to parvo than a lot of breeds. I just feel safer for her.

 

[gaddylovesdogs]

I believe genetics play a part just like Mordy does - my grandma basically lived off chocolate and bananas before she came to live with us a year ago, and she's still alive and healthy. Of course she's healthier now that she's eating proper food and exercising every day though.

 

[Mordy]

for all of you interested in the vaccination issue, here are some interesting links:
http://www.drpitcairn.com/talks/looking_at_vaccines.html
http://www.critterfixer.com/pages/new_protocols.asp (note this article continues over several pages)
http://www.naturalrearing.com/ARTICLES/GuestAuthors/RABIESSCAM.html
http://bullovedbulldogs.com/gpage.html1.html

http://www.newvaccinationprotocols.com (be patient, it sometimes loads slowly)

what people need to understand is that one vaccination on top of another and another and another is not going to protect your dog "more". that's not the way vaccines work.