German Shepherd Vs. Doberman
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Well, IMO thats taking a huge chance at someone getting hurt. To me, it makes no sense to feed dogs together. Some of the sweetest dogs will get into a scuffle over food. At work there is this Shiba Inu (amazing all around dog with a wonderful temperament) who they allow to run around the the clinic all day, because he is friendly, good with puppies and other animals ect. I mean I want to steal this dog, 
, he is amazing. One day the stupid tech put his food and water bowl down right where I walk the dogs back and forth to go outside and back to the kennel. I didnt notice it until I brought a rottie pup out and walked by it and smelled it, the next thing I know the Shiba comes out of no where "attacking" the puppy, telling him to back off. Now, this puppy was already bigger than the shiba so he wasnt hurt, but the whole point of them putting the food right in the pathway was very stupid.
If you have no problems with your dogs eating together, then good for you. But I rather just avoid any kind of problems. They might get into it they might not, but I will not allow them to decide what happens.
, he is amazing. One day the stupid tech put his food and water bowl down right where I walk the dogs back and forth to go outside and back to the kennel. I didnt notice it until I brought a rottie pup out and walked by it and smelled it, the next thing I know the Shiba comes out of no where "attacking" the puppy, telling him to back off. Now, this puppy was already bigger than the shiba so he wasnt hurt, but the whole point of them putting the food right in the pathway was very stupid. If you have no problems with your dogs eating together, then good for you. But I rather just avoid any kind of problems. They might get into it they might not, but I will not allow them to decide what happens.
I think it depends on the dogs when feeding together or not..I've had GSD's, and multiple dogs for over 30 years, and never once had a "feeding time" problem feeding multiples. No they don't all eat on top of each other, but they all eat together.
Right now, 3 eat together, the two gsd's and one aussie, My male aussie does eat in a crate because he IS food aggressive and will shove the others out of the way and eat theirs to, if he can get away with it..He is the only dog I've ever had to crate for meals, the others respect each other's space and are supervised but I've never had to interfere.
Depends on the dogs.
diane
Right now, 3 eat together, the two gsd's and one aussie, My male aussie does eat in a crate because he IS food aggressive and will shove the others out of the way and eat theirs to, if he can get away with it..He is the only dog I've ever had to crate for meals, the others respect each other's space and are supervised but I've never had to interfere.
Depends on the dogs.
diane
Definitely depends on the dogs.
I have Shibas, and mine eat together with no problems. We spent a good time with each of them as pups- feeding them with our hands in the bowl, taking it away at will while they were eating, etc.
There are no misconceptions as to WHO is in charge of the food in this house, and thus we don't worry much about food aggression between them. This is in a house with a VERY alpha bitch. Rule of thumb is...they can't be possesive about what isn't truly theirs.
That being said, I don't run around the house waving a single meat-covered bone between my two very food-motivated animals. That's just asking for trouble, LOL. Two bones? No problem.
Knowing your own dogs is the key to preventing food-aggression incidents.
I have Shibas, and mine eat together with no problems. We spent a good time with each of them as pups- feeding them with our hands in the bowl, taking it away at will while they were eating, etc.
There are no misconceptions as to WHO is in charge of the food in this house, and thus we don't worry much about food aggression between them. This is in a house with a VERY alpha bitch. Rule of thumb is...they can't be possesive about what isn't truly theirs.
That being said, I don't run around the house waving a single meat-covered bone between my two very food-motivated animals. That's just asking for trouble, LOL. Two bones? No problem.
Knowing your own dogs is the key to preventing food-aggression incidents.
C
German Shepherd and or Doberman
Hi I kinda like this post!! As I own both breeds. We have never run into any types of problems training either dog (Dob Or Shepherd) Although our Dob is persistant that she only go out to do her thing and come right back in to be our lap dog.
As a puppy she was tire some. We would go through well over 300 pairs of socks but with time she got over it. Now as far as being intimidating. Zoe never she is too much of a love especially with out her ears cropped. As far as training she loves to work in all aspects. Ob and agility. As far as her ob is concerned she does it in the house at all times. There's no getting over her Ob aspects. As far as protection sure she has it and to be honest with you we do not pronounce it in either of our dogs. Now I would think a few 100 times before walking into our home. Neither dog would voice themself's although would enjoy a playmate if you walked in when we were not home.
As far as barking and or anouncing themselves that is not allowed. We pefer that they did not and to behonest it works for me now as it did in the past.
When I was a kid I owned a Doberman female named Dutchess. This dog worked like a dream. She was a part of the family first and foremost, although was our K-9 Security dog for the business at night. I have so many funny stories about her and the crazy people that tired to break in you all would get a kick out of it. But this is the best one I have of my old girl and best freind.
We would put Dutchess into the business at night she had the full run of the offices and any area she needed. She had a bed to lay on she was a Queen. Anyhow the employee's were told that if they were working over time to tell me and guess what Geno did not. Poor Geno!!! I would go into the Shop at 7.00 am to find Geno standing like a statue up against the wall. Dutchess held him there for 13 hrs. Poor guy he said I don't understand. She knows me. I said yes she does but she as well knows her job too. Geno said my wife is going to kill me I could not move to get to the phone and or even get to the bath room that dog would not let me move. How am I going to explain this one? I just got married 2 weeks ago. Hey I told him you knew your instructions any how good luck with your wife see ya tomorrow Funny!!!!!!
Hi I kinda like this post!! As I own both breeds. We have never run into any types of problems training either dog (Dob Or Shepherd) Although our Dob is persistant that she only go out to do her thing and come right back in to be our lap dog.
As a puppy she was tire some. We would go through well over 300 pairs of socks but with time she got over it. Now as far as being intimidating. Zoe never she is too much of a love especially with out her ears cropped. As far as training she loves to work in all aspects. Ob and agility. As far as her ob is concerned she does it in the house at all times. There's no getting over her Ob aspects. As far as protection sure she has it and to be honest with you we do not pronounce it in either of our dogs. Now I would think a few 100 times before walking into our home. Neither dog would voice themself's although would enjoy a playmate if you walked in when we were not home.
As far as barking and or anouncing themselves that is not allowed. We pefer that they did not and to behonest it works for me now as it did in the past.
When I was a kid I owned a Doberman female named Dutchess. This dog worked like a dream. She was a part of the family first and foremost, although was our K-9 Security dog for the business at night. I have so many funny stories about her and the crazy people that tired to break in you all would get a kick out of it. But this is the best one I have of my old girl and best freind.
We would put Dutchess into the business at night she had the full run of the offices and any area she needed. She had a bed to lay on she was a Queen. Anyhow the employee's were told that if they were working over time to tell me and guess what Geno did not. Poor Geno!!! I would go into the Shop at 7.00 am to find Geno standing like a statue up against the wall. Dutchess held him there for 13 hrs. Poor guy he said I don't understand. She knows me. I said yes she does but she as well knows her job too. Geno said my wife is going to kill me I could not move to get to the phone and or even get to the bath room that dog would not let me move. How am I going to explain this one? I just got married 2 weeks ago. Hey I told him you knew your instructions any how good luck with your wife see ya tomorrow Funny!!!!!!
C
German Shepherd or Dobs
Hi There: I would like to comment on the issue as to feeding all of your dogs at the same time. To be honest with you I personally do not do that. But I as well beleive it is up to each individual as they wish to feed their dogs.
Would my dogs fight over their food? No not at all. The reason I feed my dogs in their crates and seperated from each other is due to the fact each dog is on their own special diet. So it is so much better to feed them the way I do as to secure that they do not get into each others diet. Just a safey net for me and mine ya know.
Again It is to the individual on how they chose to care for and maintane their own animals. To be honest with you it is kinda impressive to know that you have that kinda ability to have your dogs so well trained. Not too many of us can. Thanx for sharing about your dogs I think they are cool Cindr
Hi There: I would like to comment on the issue as to feeding all of your dogs at the same time. To be honest with you I personally do not do that. But I as well beleive it is up to each individual as they wish to feed their dogs.
Would my dogs fight over their food? No not at all. The reason I feed my dogs in their crates and seperated from each other is due to the fact each dog is on their own special diet. So it is so much better to feed them the way I do as to secure that they do not get into each others diet. Just a safey net for me and mine ya know.
Again It is to the individual on how they chose to care for and maintane their own animals. To be honest with you it is kinda impressive to know that you have that kinda ability to have your dogs so well trained. Not too many of us can. Thanx for sharing about your dogs I think they are cool Cindr
C
Dob / German Shepherd
Well I truely beleive that you are right. It is yes about breeding and yes about training and no one should be bashing one another. I have both breedis in my home. I have had up to 7 Dobermans in my home all at one time.
The truth of the matter when we had the 7 dobs in the house there were 4 males and and 3 females. Did we ever have an altercation yes once and that was when a freind brought in a Samoyed Husky that would attack our 2 yr old son. At no time did the child get hurt and or did the dogs revert to attacking their pack. The Husky on the other hand that is another story.
We all have our feelings in this matter and to be honest with you each persons feeling are their own. So it is up to you the origanal poster to make up your mind as far as which dog breed is better than the other. So what I state to you is to go with your heart. What breed do you want and like?
As stated we have 3 dogs in our home I Doberman and two German Shepherds. All of great breeding. The Germans of Holland and German Lines. as far as their breeding I would not consider selling them to pet homes as they are bred to work and keep busy. So it is important for me the owner breeder to consider both ends of the stick. So again it is your personal choice as far as what breed that you prefer
Well I truely beleive that you are right. It is yes about breeding and yes about training and no one should be bashing one another. I have both breedis in my home. I have had up to 7 Dobermans in my home all at one time.
The truth of the matter when we had the 7 dobs in the house there were 4 males and and 3 females. Did we ever have an altercation yes once and that was when a freind brought in a Samoyed Husky that would attack our 2 yr old son. At no time did the child get hurt and or did the dogs revert to attacking their pack. The Husky on the other hand that is another story.
We all have our feelings in this matter and to be honest with you each persons feeling are their own. So it is up to you the origanal poster to make up your mind as far as which dog breed is better than the other. So what I state to you is to go with your heart. What breed do you want and like?
As stated we have 3 dogs in our home I Doberman and two German Shepherds. All of great breeding. The Germans of Holland and German Lines. as far as their breeding I would not consider selling them to pet homes as they are bred to work and keep busy. So it is important for me the owner breeder to consider both ends of the stick. So again it is your personal choice as far as what breed that you prefer
I realize I'm quite late in joining this debate (and cindr, it must feel like I'm stalking you..lol) but I was looking for fellow Dobie owners and happened upon this. GSDlover, interesting posts. I notice you are only 17 and your proffessional experience is as a kennel worker/ vet clinic? Please confirm? I'm a trainer for a living, also an all breed handler, specializing in working and herding breeds over the years. I have also personally owned both a GSD and Dobies. When discussing German verses American lines, in dogs of German origin, I think it's important to acknowlege the contributions American dogs have made to both breeds. What don't you like about some of the more recognized American dogs. (While you made some interesting statements, they were very "generalized'.) Is this a discussion about temperament, conformation, trainability? One breed over the other, or certain lines over another? The thread was all over the board. Left me curious to hear more.
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Yes, I do work at a vet clinic as a kennel assistant. I have also been around dogs (german shepherds AND Dobemans mainly, as my aunt is a GErman shepherd fancier and my other aunt and grandmother are Doberman fanciers) all my life. One of my aunt's (GSD's) is a dog trainer and has raised and trained dogs for our police department, is a S&R handler and has trained many Sch dogs. Working dogs have been a BIG part of my life, since I practically live with my aunt.
EVERYONE"S statements where generalizations. I do not like American bred looks. First lets start with conformation. With American GSD's and even German showline, whats with the roach back. Its amazes me how an animal can walk let alone work with their knees dragging the ground. Temperament: I've seen more American bred GSD puppies at 10 weeks growling and "attacking" for things such as food and other things of that nature. Sure, there are so Euro GSD's who are evil, but I've seen way more American GSD's with bad temperaments. And most people dont understand temperament in the first place. They think there dog is stable and perfect if they love people and allow everyone to rush up to say hi. That is NOT a German Shepherd Dog. A GSD should be ALOOF to people, or indifferent if you will. People say Caza is unstable becuase he isnt friedly to people, but he is only indifferent to them unless they are threatening. You can stand there and Caza wouldnt even come up to you because he could care less about you, but once you put me into a threatening situation he will protect. A dog does NOT have to be overly friendly to be stable.
EVERYONE"S statements where generalizations. I do not like American bred looks. First lets start with conformation. With American GSD's and even German showline, whats with the roach back. Its amazes me how an animal can walk let alone work with their knees dragging the ground. Temperament: I've seen more American bred GSD puppies at 10 weeks growling and "attacking" for things such as food and other things of that nature. Sure, there are so Euro GSD's who are evil, but I've seen way more American GSD's with bad temperaments. And most people dont understand temperament in the first place. They think there dog is stable and perfect if they love people and allow everyone to rush up to say hi. That is NOT a German Shepherd Dog. A GSD should be ALOOF to people, or indifferent if you will. People say Caza is unstable becuase he isnt friedly to people, but he is only indifferent to them unless they are threatening. You can stand there and Caza wouldnt even come up to you because he could care less about you, but once you put me into a threatening situation he will protect. A dog does NOT have to be overly friendly to be stable.
No, you are right he does not have to be overtly friendly to be a stable dog. I was refering more to your comment about some of these dogs being "crazy". I am glad you have a proffessional breeder/trainer, (your aunt) to help guide you. I know where you're getting your opinions from now, so I won't debate them. I've handled and owned some truly outstanding dogs. I have my own experience with both American and European lines, and I respect that your experience with them has been different. As you gain more hands on experience with the different aspects of each breed, verses protection work/comp., I hope you'll find some positive attributes about both the GSD's and Dobies here. I think it's great you're this passionate, at your age, about the dogs. I started out as a vets assistant myself. I have a feeling you'll be very involved in the industry as you get older and hope that you'll develope a more "diplomatic" side with age. Calling American GSD and Dobie breeders dogs "crazy" is inaccurate. Never know when you'll need to do business with one! lol Have a good day!
Not a problem... my son, a teenager as well, is only concerned with football and girls. Ask him to help me with kennel and he smiles and says he's busy and he's one who grew up in a kennel environment, sitting in a carrier as in infant, on a table while I taught my classes. So, learn all you can from your aunt, but seek out other pros in other areas of training and take a little from them too. I believe you're getting "attacked" for your opinion because you've come across in a rather negative manner in a few posts. (Remember, you're talking to some breeders, trainers and handlers on occassion, also with teenagers your age, so we're going to bite back. ha!) I have no need to critisize what I know is simply your opinion... but word it differently, do a little more homework, and I bet you'll have more challenging and respectful debates. Want any info on serious behavioral studies in German/American working breeds? Are you familiar with Nordlicht sheps.? They were my first experience in GSDs'. Have interesting info for you whenever you want it. Goodnight!!
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I do understand that I am talking to breed fanciers, but my dogs get bashed as well. Not everyone is going to like a certain breed or line, and people have to deal with it, no offense. In fact I am GLAD when people say they dont like GSD's because it saves them from the publicity. The more people who like a dog, the more the dog will become popular in the public eye. More of a need to bring BYB's and puppymillers into the question. Unfortunately the GSD IS very popular because of the number of people who love them. And because of us who love the breed the GSD must suffer the consequence due to the love of all its fanciers, who mean well, but draw too much attention to the breed. I do "argue" about the different lines of a GSD, but if someone says GSD's in general are "evil monsters who cannot be trusted and will turn on there owners" ( a true statement by this person who was scared of Caza, at the pet store), I just ignore them. I just walked away frm the guy, why change their mind. So that they can run out and get one and draw more attention. If you love a breed then you know why you love them. Why would you want to bring more "misinformed" people into your breed world. Yes, alot of people are very interested in a certain breed but know nothing about them, but a dog forum is not a way of showing you are interested. These people need to go out to dog shows, talk to breeders, ect. Not just ask a bunch of stupid questions on the internet. Dogs like GSD and Dobes are TOO popular. Why encourage more people to get them. You can tell who is really interested in getting involved in a breed and who just wants a breed because of its reputation.
Sorry if I dont make sense, I know what I'm trying to say, but I just cant get it out,
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I know what you're trying to say. That 101 Dalmations debate. Well, in my day it was Dalmations, for you today it would be Husky movies! And their gaining popularity, as a result. I disagree with something you said. "Why would you want to bring more misinformed people into your breed world"., if I'm quoting you correctly. Educating someone about the breed is not the same as encouraging them to get one. In fact, if more people did their homework before buying a beautiful shepard or dobie, they might think twice about how much work they can be. You own a GSD and you have exposure to dobies. It's your job to know as much as you can about the breeds you own and because you work in a vet clinic, handle these breeds as an assistant, and are involved in your aunts schutzhund training (?) it's even more important that you know what you're talking about when you speak about these breeds to the public. You of all people should be giving accurate, helpful information on GSDs' for those who simply don't know about them, for those that admire and appreciate them and for those that are contemplating getting one and aren't nessecarily the right person for that breed. You should look at this as being an ambassador for your breed, and represent them "well". Am I making any sense?
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I understand what you are saying. But I dont see the need to change someone's mind when they say GSD's are "evil monsters". Obviously they are closed minded and not worth the time. Now, if someone says something like GSD's are so easy to handle and deal with, THEN I would step in and explain to them that GSD's are not as "easy" as the public portrays them to be. I WILL step in if someone is misinformed and think all GSD's are easy going and are going to rush out and get one. I do reply to those who WANT to learn or show an effort to learn, but I dont waste my time with somoene who has it set in there mind wht they think about a dog. Why argue with a person when you know they will leave the conversation with the same point of view?
I understand your point... and I've taken up too much space on this thread about attitudes over GSDs' verses Dobies. American verses German lines. My apologies. So ... Zaidoo, as for your original post, I like both breeds. I have owned and shown both. I currently own a Dobie pup. Both are loyal companions and wonderful protection animals when properly trained. Both can be hard to keep weight on and need a premium diet. First and foremost, find the best breeder you can and save your money. A quality pup will be pricey. Are you seriously considering one!? Good luck!
C
Gsd/Dobie
Yes you too have a point. We all have to look at each situation open minded, with a load of common sense. Now if the person wants either breed then yes get educated. Actually I will beg you too. Why? Because to many people get these wonderful breeds. Do not understand them or want to learn to understand them. Then the dog is to blame. I have had a many dog in my day. I have seen dogs just act out and react for simply nothing at all.
With this in mind an allowed behavior. I will never forget moving to Calgary Alberta. We had our German Shepherd Kavick with us. He was just 7 months old at the time. A wonderful doggie. He was donated to Detroit Pd when he was 2. He would do a wonderful job. Anyhow, we were looking for a female compainion for him. Really did not care about the breeding aspect whats so ever. Although being gone to work all day he needed a freind.
So I contact this lady and she has this show female. She needs to place. Okay she wants 3 full breedings from the dog and then she is spayed. I did not care I was not going to do the doggies she was.
Well when the woman brought this poor dog to my home for the asessements and evaluations. I just about dropped my draws. This dog, was extremely anglilated, running on her pasterns. Where as she had been left in a cement kennel for a very long time. Unsocialized,extremely shy with a interverted personality. Thus her eyes would roll in the back of her head and shake in total fear. Now doggie did not attempt to attack but I know had push come to shove she'd fly at you if she had to.
I am not used to dogs behaving this way! Mind you yes some what shy when young. But not to this extreme. We kept girly for a few days and there was nothing you could do to get this dog to come around. She was a kennel dog and that was her comfort zone. I to be honest with you felt the dog was a poor excuse as a breeding specimine as it was with the major faults that she had. I contacted the breeder and informed her that the dog was not going to work out for us. Please come and pick her up. I really do not know what happened to the dog. But I know that had she been raised properly she would have been something special
Yes you too have a point. We all have to look at each situation open minded, with a load of common sense. Now if the person wants either breed then yes get educated. Actually I will beg you too. Why? Because to many people get these wonderful breeds. Do not understand them or want to learn to understand them. Then the dog is to blame. I have had a many dog in my day. I have seen dogs just act out and react for simply nothing at all.
With this in mind an allowed behavior. I will never forget moving to Calgary Alberta. We had our German Shepherd Kavick with us. He was just 7 months old at the time. A wonderful doggie. He was donated to Detroit Pd when he was 2. He would do a wonderful job. Anyhow, we were looking for a female compainion for him. Really did not care about the breeding aspect whats so ever. Although being gone to work all day he needed a freind.
So I contact this lady and she has this show female. She needs to place. Okay she wants 3 full breedings from the dog and then she is spayed. I did not care I was not going to do the doggies she was.
Well when the woman brought this poor dog to my home for the asessements and evaluations. I just about dropped my draws. This dog, was extremely anglilated, running on her pasterns. Where as she had been left in a cement kennel for a very long time. Unsocialized,extremely shy with a interverted personality. Thus her eyes would roll in the back of her head and shake in total fear. Now doggie did not attempt to attack but I know had push come to shove she'd fly at you if she had to.
I am not used to dogs behaving this way! Mind you yes some what shy when young. But not to this extreme. We kept girly for a few days and there was nothing you could do to get this dog to come around. She was a kennel dog and that was her comfort zone. I to be honest with you felt the dog was a poor excuse as a breeding specimine as it was with the major faults that she had. I contacted the breeder and informed her that the dog was not going to work out for us. Please come and pick her up. I really do not know what happened to the dog. But I know that had she been raised properly she would have been something special
