Fertility treatments, what are your opinions?
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This thread is like asking "Should gay people get married?"
You're going to get a lot of passionate responses. It's going to get ugly. And (I would hope) most people would have the same views that they seem to have on fertility treatments; it's not their life so it doesn't really matter.
I'm amazed you don't see how people feel you were being rude. insulting, inconsiderate, etc. towards this whole subject.
And, again, you keep saying "That's not what I said/meant". Every time you have posted you have said something a little different.
"I don't like it nor do I agree with it".
Now it's "I prefer natural conception".
I'm with Addiranne. You haven't answered either of our questions.
WHY? Why do you not agree with it? I am HONESTLY interested in your reasoning. It seems that your inital reasoning was lack of understanding on your part, now that that's cleared up, why are you still 'against' it?
I can see why people think you're a 'troll'. You say you don't care and you're just voicing an opinion, but so are these people. They are just better informed about their opinions. It's understandable to be 'against' or 'for' something when you have logic to back it up.
I'm also a bit confused as to why you would have an opinion on something that you know nothing about. That's probably another reason people find you irritating so easily. If you wanted to learn more about the process of fertility treatments, you went about it the wrong way.
But, kudos, because I have been able to read and understand your last few posts.
You're going to get a lot of passionate responses. It's going to get ugly. And (I would hope) most people would have the same views that they seem to have on fertility treatments; it's not their life so it doesn't really matter.
I'm amazed you don't see how people feel you were being rude. insulting, inconsiderate, etc. towards this whole subject.
And, again, you keep saying "That's not what I said/meant". Every time you have posted you have said something a little different.
"I don't like it nor do I agree with it".
Now it's "I prefer natural conception".
I'm with Addiranne. You haven't answered either of our questions.
WHY? Why do you not agree with it? I am HONESTLY interested in your reasoning. It seems that your inital reasoning was lack of understanding on your part, now that that's cleared up, why are you still 'against' it?
I can see why people think you're a 'troll'. You say you don't care and you're just voicing an opinion, but so are these people. They are just better informed about their opinions. It's understandable to be 'against' or 'for' something when you have logic to back it up.
I'm also a bit confused as to why you would have an opinion on something that you know nothing about. That's probably another reason people find you irritating so easily. If you wanted to learn more about the process of fertility treatments, you went about it the wrong way.
But, kudos, because I have been able to read and understand your last few posts.
I'm just reposting this incase you missed it or are we to presume you've had a change of heart and you realize the method by which fertility treatments are run are in line with your opinions?
ETA: I bolded the three questions. A "non-troll", one not in it for the drama but in fact the debate (education and an attempt to sway others towards your view), would be comfortable in answering these non-offensive, non-attacking, non-belittling follow up questions.
ETA: I bolded the three questions. A "non-troll", one not in it for the drama but in fact the debate (education and an attempt to sway others towards your view), would be comfortable in answering these non-offensive, non-attacking, non-belittling follow up questions.
If you wanted to learn about the process, you should have just asked questions. Instead of asking questions, you made multiple incendiary statements about fertility treatments, griped more than once about how people can just walk into a doctor's office and be popped onto fertility treatments, and when it was pointed out TWENTY PAGES AGO that things do not work this way, you pretty much ducked out of having to admit you had no idea what you were talking about.
And you still didn't answer Adrianne's question. Either of them.
And you still didn't answer Adrianne's question. Either of them.
That's why I don't like it or agree with it.
A lot of people have opinions about things they know little about, I don't know very much about birds or cats but u have opinion about them; I like them fine but would never own one. Same with this, if it works for you great but I still don't like it or agree with it. I am not going to tell someone not to do it, but I will express my negitive opinion towards it.
[/Quote]But, kudos, because I have been able to read and understand your last few posts.[/QUOTE]
Was that really nessessary?
I was going to stop posting here but I realized that would be playing into the bully's hands so I decided against it.
A lot of people have opinions about things they know little about, I don't know very much about birds or cats but u have opinion about them; I like them fine but would never own one. Same with this, if it works for you great but I still don't like it or agree with it. I am not going to tell someone not to do it, but I will express my negitive opinion towards it.
[/Quote]But, kudos, because I have been able to read and understand your last few posts.[/QUOTE]
Was that really nessessary?
I was going to stop posting here but I realized that would be playing into the bully's hands so I decided against it.
Yes I believe gay people should have the right to he married, my parents don't but we discussed our views on this & didn't resort to the mud slinging fest that went on here, there were some firey opinions but never was anyone belittled for their opinion.
I have discussed lots of hot button topics with people face to face & never did I have a response like this one on here, but I have seen you people to it to others too when it's anything you don't agree with instead of educating the person you turn into a lench mob.
Just saying.
I have discussed lots of hot button topics with people face to face & never did I have a response like this one on here, but I have seen you people to it to others too when it's anything you don't agree with instead of educating the person you turn into a lench mob.
Just saying.
So, instead of having a mature and reasonable debate with me, someone who's not once belittled you (someone who has adhd as well), you're going to duck out?
Is it really that hard to answer what I've asked? Does it really make me a bully in your eyes to attempt to clarify your statements and question their origins?
I do not think it is wise to "have an opinion on things they know little about", you'll sound ignorant.
In an effort to speak out against something in a debate your BEST tool is becoming an expert on the other side of the issue.
Sure, you can think xyz looks dumb, easy, and boring, but until you've experienced or at very least researched it your opinion is invalid and ignorant.
It's the same in every debate.
Is it really that hard to answer what I've asked? Does it really make me a bully in your eyes to attempt to clarify your statements and question their origins?
I do not think it is wise to "have an opinion on things they know little about", you'll sound ignorant.
In an effort to speak out against something in a debate your BEST tool is becoming an expert on the other side of the issue.
Sure, you can think xyz looks dumb, easy, and boring, but until you've experienced or at very least researched it your opinion is invalid and ignorant.
It's the same in every debate.
If you feel people misunderstand and/or mischaracterize what you say, then my suggestion is to take the time to proofread your posts for clarity, completeness and readability before you hit "submit reply."
I've noticed a pattern whereby you make a short, strongly-worded statement and then when people question or call you out on it you add more information and/or "oh that's what I said but this is what I MEANT" posts later. Take the time to say what you mean in the first place and there won't be so much back and forth. I'm not saying this to belittle you but in all honesty I think it's where at least half your problems come from as your goalposts appear to keep changing with each passing post.
I've noticed a pattern whereby you make a short, strongly-worded statement and then when people question or call you out on it you add more information and/or "oh that's what I said but this is what I MEANT" posts later. Take the time to say what you mean in the first place and there won't be so much back and forth. I'm not saying this to belittle you but in all honesty I think it's where at least half your problems come from as your goalposts appear to keep changing with each passing post.
A good leader can engage in a debate frankly and thoroughly, knowing that at the end he and the other side must be closer, and thus emerge stronger. You don't have that idea when you are arrogant, superficial, and uninformed.
Nelson Mandela
Debate is a powerful act, fascinating, and that is what this should be. You cannot approach it with a "This is my opinion, it is not based on facts but feelings and your counter argument is invalid because you're a bully."
Nelson Mandela
Debate is a powerful act, fascinating, and that is what this should be. You cannot approach it with a "This is my opinion, it is not based on facts but feelings and your counter argument is invalid because you're a bully."