Doodles (and how Labradoodles are different)

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It's getting closer, but it still reads too much like a BYB's "no, really, we're legit!" front page. They list no negative attributes, like the common skin allergies these dogs possess...instead they focus on "hybrid vigor" which is a misnomer. And I've met too many unstable Cockers to be comfortable with their description of why the dam is usually a Cocker.

 

[MK&C]

One other factor that we have to deal with that didn't use to be as big of an issue, is that purebreds and dog breeding used to be the sole province of royalty and associated wealth. They were the only ones with the leisure time and funds to devote, though I'm sure the shepherds and drovers had their own breeding programs, but they were quite small scale and devoted solely to improving their daily tasks. Many times, there was also the whole pesky "pain of death or fined to death" penalties for non-nobles/royalty possessing certain dog breeds, which helped to keep the lines pure and stable.

I see where you're at. However, look at the Coton de Tulear's history:

http://dogbreedinfo.com/cotondetulear.htm

Yet today, they are an established breed (ever since they have been discovered, they are a target for BYBs).
Is it pretty much the same idea, since hardly anyone had access to these dogs?

 

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Edit: Here is an actual standard for comparison: http://www.asca.org/About+Aussies/Breed+Standard

There have been puppymills and BYB's around for as long as we've owned dogs. Companion dogs in particular have been targets, especially once they caught the eye of royalty. Then EVERYONE wanted to have a dog like the King and Queen favored, which is how quite a few genetic disasters have been passed down. The Yorkie is a great example of this...they used to be much larger and sturdier and used to take down vermin. Then they came into high favor and the trend towards "small and cute" took over.

 

[MK&C]

It's getting closer, but it still reads too much like a BYB's "no, really, we're legit!" front page. They list no negative attributes, like the common skin allergies these dogs possess...instead they focus on "hybrid vigor" which is a misnomer. And I've met too many unstable Cockers to be comfortable with their description of why the dam is usually a Cocker.

I noticed that about them too, that's why I'm not too sure, but at least they have a standard, it doesn't sound too clear though.

The dam is usually a Cocker because the sire (miniature or toy poodle usually) is smaller than the her, so the pups won't be hard to deliver...

Edit: Here is an actual standard for comparison: http://www.asca.org/About+Aussies/Breed+Standard

Yes, that standard is really alot better!! I wish the cockapoo one was more particular/descriptive.

 

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I understand the mechanics behind why, it's more of the temperment of the Cocker in general. Yes, usually they are very sweet affectionate dogs, but there are some very scary ones as well.

 

[MK&C]

I understand the mechanics behind why, it's more of the temperment of the Cocker in general. Yes, usually they are very sweet affectionate dogs, but there are some very scary ones as well.

I've met some pretty nasty American Cockers too! Ever since they've became really popular in th 70's, they where wayyyy overbred, but there are still some good breeders out there who have lines from before then...they are a chore to find, though! Talk about medical nightmare.

 

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Thank Disney for that one!

And 101 Dalmations for the downfall of the Dal.

 

[MK&C]

Thank Disney for that one!

And 101 Dalmations for the downfall of the Dal.

Ohh geez. I've thanked Disney for sooo many things already.

 

[~Dixie's_Mom~]

Thank Disney for that one!

And 101 Dalmations for the downfall of the Dal.

I know it! When movies became popular, so did the dogs in them. Like the movie, See Spot Run (an adorable movie), the Bull Mastiff in that movie is so cute! A friend of mine went out and bought a Bull Mastiff, and named it Spot....lol! It's the most hyper dog I've EVER seen! The thing literally bounces off the walls. He was expecting the well trained dog from the movie, but instead he got a HANDFUL! People don't realise that just because a dog is cute, or someone's dog is well trained, that it doesn't mean that breed is that way. All dogs are different.

 

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IF I got ahead and create the Alaskan Husky mix that I''ve been playing with

*highjack alert*

I was under the impresion the Alaskan Husky was bred for their strengths and traits not wether or not they where cute or fit a certain look.

 

[LabBreeder]

The Australian Shepherd has had a breed standard since 1977. How long has the "cockapoo" been trying to set a standard (stricter standard)? I mean, if you are going to claim a mix as a breed (besides being required to have so many odd generations on record and a parent club) shouldn't you have strict, set standards and not go all over the place (like most dogs mixed with poodles do -- in reference to the standards)?

All these other poos and doodles and cross breeding mixes are trying to get recognized, but most don't know how to do it OR they can't because pups aren't coming out with set characteristics/temperaments/coats/colors, etc.

Hybrid vigor is a misnomer and a myth (IMO). But the cockapoo site is only focusing on the supposedly "good" aspects of the mix and not mentioning the bad.

 

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The Cockapoo has been around longer than I have, why are they still breeding Poodle to Cocker?

If the Labradoodles are being selctively bred Labdoodle to labdoodle focusing on a standard, are they still mutts?

 

[~Dixie's_Mom~]

The Australian Shepherd has had a breed standard since 1977. How long has the "cockapoo" been trying to set a standard (stricter standard)? I mean, if you are going to claim a mix as a breed (besides being required to have so many odd generations on record and a parent club) shouldn't you have strict, set standards and not go all over the place (like most dogs mixed with poodles do -- in reference to the standards)?

All these other poos and doodles and cross breeding mixes are trying to get recognized, but most don't know how to do it OR they can't because pups aren't coming out with set characteristics/temperaments/coats/colors, etc.

Hybrid vigor is a misnomer and a myth (IMO). But the cockapoo site is only focusing on the supposedly "good" aspects of the mix and not mentioning the bad.

Please excuse me if this isn't what you meant by set characteristics/temperaments/coats/colors, etc, but in dogs like the Pointer, there are Wirehaired pointers & Smooth haired Pointers, and in Collies there are Rough Collies, and Smooth Collies, but they are the same breed. They have different Standards though....as far as Temperments, I'm not sure because I've never had either breed, but I do agree that they shouldn't be breeding the F1s all the time. People need to get Cock-a-Poos and breed them with other Cock-a-Poos instead of all the pups having a Cocker mom, and Poodle dad. If they get a pup with Cocker personality, and Poodle fur, then breed that one to another pup with the Cocker personality and the Poodle fur, so you're getting the same thing! If you keep breeding the F1's all the pups will have differenciating (SP?) Cocker, and Poodle personalities....I agree with you on that.

 

[mrose_s]

How do you think a Lab was created? How do you think any type of dog was created? Through crossbreeding. Many of the popular purebred dogs are developing health problems from all the interbreeding among themselves. Most vets will tell you that a mixed breed is actually more likely to have less health problems than a purebred.

i personally, don't have a problem with well bred doodles. if this is becoming a stable, well defined breed then so be it. the problem arises when BYB's are looking to make a quick buck and will bree dhte 2 breeds in an effort to be able to sell these mutts at high prices. and at this stage of the "breed" they are just mutts. labs and poodles both began like this but they are now stable breeds, unlike doodles.

i personally also dont think we should stop mixing breeds. all 4 of our dogs are mixes and i love that they all have a variety of traits form the breeds that they are. buster and harry were both free. (buster from a car park and harry was given to us so that her husband wouldn't shoot him) and sophie was from a BYB (still, we decided on her even though we knew she would have a lot of health problems, she's a big white dog with bad back and bad hips) and mac from a pet shop (i know not the best place but i begged grace to check at shelters first and she said she didn't want and old dog, she wouldnt listen that they have puppies aswell)

and the labradoodle was first bred as a seeing eye dog for dog-allergic people. out of the litter of 5 pups that weer VERY CAREFULLY bred by the guide dog association, only 2 were even suitable to become guide dogs without shedding too much. to sell the remainuig 3 puppies, the breeder gave them a catchy name. rather too catchy as people that do not always undertsand how hard it is to care for a dog keep buying these, "designer breeds'' and THEN relise how much effort a dog is.

good luck with your dog though. this isn't a shot at you. its just my opinion on why so many people are against these designer dogs.

 

[~Dixie's_Mom~]

The Cockapoo has been around longer than I have, why are they still breeding Poodle to Cocker?

If the Labradoodles are being selctively bred Labdoodle to labdoodle focusing on a standard, are they still mutts?

I've wonderd that also, but I suppose they will always be 'considerd' mixes until they are recognised by a reputable club....but technically, I wouldn't think so...

 

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I dont think the Alaskan Husky or other Bush breeds of dogs are recognised by any clubs because the only confermation is in working and surviving not looking good.

 

[~Dixie's_Mom~]

I dont think the Alaskan Husky or other Bush breeds of dogs are recognised by any clubs because the only confermation is in working and surviving not looking good.

Really? I wondered why I'd never seen alot of Alaskan Huskies...my friend had one, but that's the only one I'd ever seen, I figured it was just another one of those 'names' for a Husky. Everyone either calls them Sibes, Siberians, Huskies, Siberian huskies, etc. I thought that they were the same....cool!! If they have a good working ability, it's a shame they can't be registered....

 

[~Dixie's_Mom~]

I'm assuming that an Alaskan Husky is a Malamute/Husky cross...?

 

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The Alaskan Husky is bred for its abilities and its atributes to the cold in the Interior where it can reach -40 for months. Its bred for strength and endurance and has been for longer than Alaska's had a name. The natives didnt care about clubs or conformation they bred dogs for strength, endurance and resilient to the cold they didnt care about looks.

Its not a cross, at least not in the villages.

 

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It's not a cross.

It's a mix of several breeds- Sibe, *sometimes Mal (but not a lot), sighthound, BC- they're bred for endurance and speed, and there is next to no reason for them to be registered, as there would be no way to write a standard for them.

How would you write a standard for mixed-breed dogs?