Bad Dog Trainer Beware !!
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I don't have the time or energy to really get into a post, as I have to go to work. I just have to say that Purdue, you absolutely sicken me. I remember when you were so concerned about Sly when he was living with your neighbor and spending most of the time in a crate and I gave you advice on how to get him to come live with you. I was under the impression he was headed for a better life, not one where he get the sh*t whapped out of him at every turn. You took an undersocialized dog and started beating on him for behaviors that you never bothered to try and correct before hand, or take into a account that he hadn't properly rasied!! YOU HAVE A FSCKING AUSSIE, there is not a reason on this EARTH you should be hitting him, except that you are young and inexperienced and oh so willing so get sucked into this jackhole's justification of abuse. God, even the old school Kohler style trainer I first apprenticed under would wet her pants in disbelief at what you are doing to your PET DOG. And she trains in Schutz, SAR, competes in agility, conformation, obedience and everything else. She trained the military dogs down at Lackland Airforce Base for fsck's sake...can your caveman of a trainer claim anything like that? NO...because he's too afraid to take his dogs around his peers and their "pansy" competitions, because he knows exactly what is going to get said about him and he's right.
I almost ruined my dog by training him the way you're training Sly and it's taken a lot of work to get him back to being happy, excited and willing to work. You are blind to the difference between "I want to work!" and "Please please see my calming, appeasement signals because I DON'T WANT TO GET BEAT!" Do some reading, go to shows, other competitions and frigging talk to other people.
You are not training your dog for military work, Schutz or anything else that could be tossed up as justification for whaling on an Aussie.
I almost ruined my dog by training him the way you're training Sly and it's taken a lot of work to get him back to being happy, excited and willing to work. You are blind to the difference between "I want to work!" and "Please please see my calming, appeasement signals because I DON'T WANT TO GET BEAT!" Do some reading, go to shows, other competitions and frigging talk to other people.
You are not training your dog for military work, Schutz or anything else that could be tossed up as justification for whaling on an Aussie.
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He isn't interested in talking to people. I've been reading this thread so I called the number he posted. Our conversation inspired me to join this forum.
He raised his voice throughout the conversation, said that my children must be absolute terrors because I don't spank them. He called me feeble minded, interrupted me and addressed me as "hun" on more than one occasion. He refused to answer any real questions he simply took every opportunity to attempt to berate me for not using physical force with children and pets. He stated that he knows my politics, my religion and how my dogs and children behave based only on me questioning his methods of teaching. He is a real peach, isn't he?
Lucky for my dogs he will never have the opportunity to use his methods on them.
He isn't interested in talking to people. I've been reading this thread so I called the number he posted. Our conversation inspired me to join this forum.
He raised his voice throughout the conversation, said that my children must be absolute terrors because I don't spank them. He called me feeble minded, interrupted me and addressed me as "hun" on more than one occasion. He refused to answer any real questions he simply took every opportunity to attempt to berate me for not using physical force with children and pets. He stated that he knows my politics, my religion and how my dogs and children behave based only on me questioning his methods of teaching. He is a real peach, isn't he?
Lucky for my dogs he will never have the opportunity to use his methods on them.
Dan, I know that everyone on this forum is entitled to their opinions so don't take this too harshly. Just like you voiced yours, I'm going to voice mine.
That is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. What does it mean for one dog to "trump" another? Are you referring to the "Only working dogs are real dogs" line of thinking?
Getting paid or winning ribbons, what is the difference to the dog? If a dog patrols with its owner, it is performing for its owner/handler. Similarly, if someone is competing in agility, obedience, etc. the dog is performing for its owner/handler. Fortunately, dog's aren't as self-righteous about these things as people are.
That is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. What does it mean for one dog to "trump" another? Are you referring to the "Only working dogs are real dogs" line of thinking?
Getting paid or winning ribbons, what is the difference to the dog? If a dog patrols with its owner, it is performing for its owner/handler. Similarly, if someone is competing in agility, obedience, etc. the dog is performing for its owner/handler. Fortunately, dog's aren't as self-righteous about these things as people are.
If you have proof of this or even suspect it, it should be reported to the authorities to check out because this, in the vast majority of human morality would be considered excessive abuse.
This has turned into a very frustrating thread for people who love dogs as well as for those who advocate hitting dogs with sticks etc. Some people assume and demand that we all owe respect and speak respectfully to the few who we feel are abusing innocent animals. Why should people respect you?
After many threads in the past such as this one, it is apparent that there is some other reason for this treatment of animals other than for the purpose of training because anyone who knows the bare inklings of canine behavior know that this is not training. Hitting or hanging a dog and causing it that level of fear and pain is abuse, nothing else. Period.
Mistreated dogs show all the stress signs and calming signals which people educated or even a little bit knowledgeable in dog behavior recognize easily. The dogs are begging and trying to calm down their owners...trying to avoid conflict. Some of the canine calming signals are the very things that the dogs are being punished for. So, then they try again to calm the owner. And again, they get punished viciously. It is the most pathetic and sickening thing. How can anyone who is human mistreat an animal that they haven't even taught? Dogs are very capable of learning things from humans. They don't disobey on purpose. They simply haven't been taught properly. They don't know. It's a tragedy that there are cowerdly human beings allowed to live on this planet who bully and abuse another species just because they can.
It was asked why we, who train dogs without beating them, but instead have almost unending patience don't have that same patience with people like you? I'll answer that. Because they're dogs and don't speak our language. It requires patience and some UNDERSTANDING of caning behavior to train a dog properly and humanely. Why do we lose patience so easily with human beings who use appalling "methods" to squash their dogs? Because human beings share spoken language and share similar morals and value systems. (at least, that would be an optimistic assumption, I guess) Human beings normally can understand human logic, morals, right from wrong....understand when they themselves do not have the education and that perhaps they ought to listen and learn. In other words, the reason some of us lose patience is because human beings OUGHT TO KNOW BETTER!!!!
Why are some of us not speaking with respect? Because, we flat out can't possibly respect someone who beats dogs with a stick and some of the other hideous abuse which we read about, not only in this thread, but in others. We can not look at the beaten, downtrodden body language of these languishing dogs and feel an ounce of respect for the individuals who did that to them.
How much patience would you like us to have? What would you like to see? Information? Training advice? Neither one of you have ever asked for an alternative to beating your dog with a stick or yanking or hanging on a collar. There are other ways. But you don't want to hear them and apparently don't understand the concept of ignorance (who could blame you) because you are ignorant....worse than ignorant.
Anyone who hits dogs with sticks or hangs them up by the collar and all the other disease-like things they do to dogs ought to be taken out and shot.
If this is truly going on as described in the quote above, it needs to be reported and made very much more public to protect other dumb people from being sucked into it and protect other unsuspecting, innocent dogs.
And btw Purdue. Your dog will never be a part of your family. Family members trust and love each other. You dog doesn't trust you. He fears you. You're in denial. That's not what family means to a dog. You know why he wags his tail when he see you? He's not happy. No way is a dog happy wo is hit with a stick and all the rest of it. He's making a last ditch effort to calm you, to prevent conflict which your presence has come to predict. His wagging tail has nothing to do with happiness. Shows what you know about dog behavior, yet again....which is zilch.
To the OP....I hope you report these monsters and let every source of media know what is going on.
Dan....if you think this is necessary to train a police dog, think again. Look up Steve White. And besides, what in God's green earth would a little dog be doing in such a ridiculous venue? The exploitation of dogs by humans is bad enough as it is without this kind of bullying.
I guess we'll never have any answers from Mr. Richling because bullies and cowards always hide behind something rather than come out in the open. If he wants to defend himself or explain himself, bring it on. Let's hear it. Otherwise, I'll assume all this hideous and monsterous abuse and lousy training, lousy timing, no recognition of canine body language or social cues, no education, no credentials, no qualifying evidence for his dogs achievements.... this so called "slander" is absolutely the truth.
This has turned into a very frustrating thread for people who love dogs as well as for those who advocate hitting dogs with sticks etc. Some people assume and demand that we all owe respect and speak respectfully to the few who we feel are abusing innocent animals. Why should people respect you?
After many threads in the past such as this one, it is apparent that there is some other reason for this treatment of animals other than for the purpose of training because anyone who knows the bare inklings of canine behavior know that this is not training. Hitting or hanging a dog and causing it that level of fear and pain is abuse, nothing else. Period.
Mistreated dogs show all the stress signs and calming signals which people educated or even a little bit knowledgeable in dog behavior recognize easily. The dogs are begging and trying to calm down their owners...trying to avoid conflict. Some of the canine calming signals are the very things that the dogs are being punished for. So, then they try again to calm the owner. And again, they get punished viciously. It is the most pathetic and sickening thing. How can anyone who is human mistreat an animal that they haven't even taught? Dogs are very capable of learning things from humans. They don't disobey on purpose. They simply haven't been taught properly. They don't know. It's a tragedy that there are cowerdly human beings allowed to live on this planet who bully and abuse another species just because they can.
It was asked why we, who train dogs without beating them, but instead have almost unending patience don't have that same patience with people like you? I'll answer that. Because they're dogs and don't speak our language. It requires patience and some UNDERSTANDING of caning behavior to train a dog properly and humanely. Why do we lose patience so easily with human beings who use appalling "methods" to squash their dogs? Because human beings share spoken language and share similar morals and value systems. (at least, that would be an optimistic assumption, I guess) Human beings normally can understand human logic, morals, right from wrong....understand when they themselves do not have the education and that perhaps they ought to listen and learn. In other words, the reason some of us lose patience is because human beings OUGHT TO KNOW BETTER!!!!
Why are some of us not speaking with respect? Because, we flat out can't possibly respect someone who beats dogs with a stick and some of the other hideous abuse which we read about, not only in this thread, but in others. We can not look at the beaten, downtrodden body language of these languishing dogs and feel an ounce of respect for the individuals who did that to them.
How much patience would you like us to have? What would you like to see? Information? Training advice? Neither one of you have ever asked for an alternative to beating your dog with a stick or yanking or hanging on a collar. There are other ways. But you don't want to hear them and apparently don't understand the concept of ignorance (who could blame you) because you are ignorant....worse than ignorant.
Anyone who hits dogs with sticks or hangs them up by the collar and all the other disease-like things they do to dogs ought to be taken out and shot.
If this is truly going on as described in the quote above, it needs to be reported and made very much more public to protect other dumb people from being sucked into it and protect other unsuspecting, innocent dogs.
And btw Purdue. Your dog will never be a part of your family. Family members trust and love each other. You dog doesn't trust you. He fears you. You're in denial. That's not what family means to a dog. You know why he wags his tail when he see you? He's not happy. No way is a dog happy wo is hit with a stick and all the rest of it. He's making a last ditch effort to calm you, to prevent conflict which your presence has come to predict. His wagging tail has nothing to do with happiness. Shows what you know about dog behavior, yet again....which is zilch.
To the OP....I hope you report these monsters and let every source of media know what is going on.
Dan....if you think this is necessary to train a police dog, think again. Look up Steve White. And besides, what in God's green earth would a little dog be doing in such a ridiculous venue? The exploitation of dogs by humans is bad enough as it is without this kind of bullying.
I guess we'll never have any answers from Mr. Richling because bullies and cowards always hide behind something rather than come out in the open. If he wants to defend himself or explain himself, bring it on. Let's hear it. Otherwise, I'll assume all this hideous and monsterous abuse and lousy training, lousy timing, no recognition of canine body language or social cues, no education, no credentials, no qualifying evidence for his dogs achievements.... this so called "slander" is absolutely the truth.
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Looks like 'ole Dan is getting sucked into this stuff too. I always liked and had a ton of respect for you Dan. I still like you a whole lot. But this attitude or mentality has never been your style in the past. What's happened to you since you started this "working" thing with your dog? Makes me kinda sad.
Looks like 'ole Dan is getting sucked into this stuff too. I always liked and had a ton of respect for you Dan. I still like you a whole lot. But this attitude or mentality has never been your style in the past. What's happened to you since you started this "working" thing with your dog?
Makes me kinda sad.
Thank you for responding Mr Richling. I will again look up your site and email you. While I don't know about my having been "kind", I am certainly willing to be logical and direct with you in a non-offensive manner. While I have concerns after reading how you responded to one of our members that called you, I hope you will be equally as rational and professional with me as I intend to be with you. I'd like to have all of the facts, other than those I've already looked up. Only you can provide that. I am a trainer for a living, specializing in behavioral modification. I take what I do very seriously. Neither my children, (who are fabulous, by the way, lol) nor my religion or politics are open for discussion. Let's talk dog training. Will contact you soon.
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He just kept telling me that I'm a liberal and most likely Catholic. He went off on a political rant and when I asked him what that has to do with dogs he started telling me that I don't get paid so my opinion doesn't count. (I foster dogs who need training before they can be adopted).
My child walked in the room while we were talking and asked if he could watch television while he was berating my parenting and I asked him if he heard how polite my son was and he said that doesn't matter, if they aren't trained forcefully they are not good children. He guarantees that my children are ill-mannered, although he could hear the opposite.
I thought he was going to have a stroke and asked him if he would please speak calmly and he informed me that "I don't know angry". He promised on here that he would have a polite conversation if anyone called and I reminded him of that. Even with a gentle reminder he was incapable of restraining himself. Do you "prospanking" folks see what an illmannered ass that method of raising children turns out? Why would we expect anything less from the dogs who are trained in that way?
I would never trust a person with so little self control with training my animals and I feel sorry for any animals who have people that trust him.
I ended the conversation in the middle of one of his political rants because I realized it was pointless to try to talk with someone like him.
My child walked in the room while we were talking and asked if he could watch television while he was berating my parenting and I asked him if he heard how polite my son was and he said that doesn't matter, if they aren't trained forcefully they are not good children. He guarantees that my children are ill-mannered, although he could hear the opposite.
I thought he was going to have a stroke and asked him if he would please speak calmly and he informed me that "I don't know angry". He promised on here that he would have a polite conversation if anyone called and I reminded him of that. Even with a gentle reminder he was incapable of restraining himself. Do you "prospanking" folks see what an illmannered ass that method of raising children turns out? Why would we expect anything less from the dogs who are trained in that way?
I would never trust a person with so little self control with training my animals and I feel sorry for any animals who have people that trust him.
I ended the conversation in the middle of one of his political rants because I realized it was pointless to try to talk with someone like him.