Bad Breeder Alert!

[AusCatDogs_4Ever]

This breeders website is very disgusting.

I was browsing through ACD breeders sites to look at pics of ACDs and I came accross this site ...

They mainly breed Australian Cattle Dogs, I must say they have a lot of dogs! Makes me think of a puppymill. Many of their ACDs are definatly NOT purebred, they don't fit the standard at all! They are the wrong colors (she makes up colors like "powder" and "blue and black tri") They even dock their tails! And she says they are CKC registered but that can't be true... They don't show or have pedigrees and of course the tails are docked ...

She also owns Goldens and Poodles and breeds them to make "Golden Doodles" and even "Aussie Doodles" she sells most of them for $500 + $250 extra for shipping! What surprises me is she has A LOT of buyers... She sells her dogs all over the internet so they aren't hard to find..

If your looking for a dog PLEASE aviod this breeder...

 

[JennSLK]

Im notagainst docking, just against doing it to breds who shouldnt be done

 

[AusCatDogs_4Ever]

Im notagainst docking, just against doing it to breds who shouldnt be done

I am not against docking either as long as it's done professionaly and at a proper age. I was angry because ACDs are not suppose to be docked. Just to make that clear.

 

[B33CPE]

I have an ACD and when i got him his tail was docked and i didnt know until recently that they werent supposed to dock them, idiot breeders. lots of breeders seem to dock their tails. I looked at the site and i counted like 20 females, i didnt even go to the male page. definetly too many dogs. And the colors are totally not right for the breed, some were but alot of them werent.
This is what the akc standard says:

Color (Blue)
The color should be blue, blue-mottled or blue speckled with or without other markings. The permissible markings are black, blue or tan markings on the head, evenly distributed for preference. The forelegs tan midway up the legs and extending up the front to breast and throat, with tan on jaws; the hindquarters tan on inside of hindlegs, and inside of thighs, showing down the front of the stifles and broadening out to the outside of the hindlegs from hock to toes. Tan undercoat is permissible on the body providing it does not show through the blue outer coat. Black markings on the body are not desirable.

Color (Red Speckle)
The color should be of good even red speckle all over, including the undercoat, (neither white nor cream), with or without darker red markings on the head. Even head markings are desirable. Red markings on the body are permissible but not desirable.

 

[AusCatDogs_4Ever]

I have an ACD and when i got him his tail was docked and i didnt know until recently that they werent supposed to dock them, idiot breeders. lots of breeders seem to dock their tails.

A lot of BYB and ranchers dock tails. I posted about it before and was surprised that no one that replied had seen an ACD with it's tail docked, nothing wrong with that though!

I read more on their site and they are even starting a "Mini Heeler" breeding program!

 

[gatethekeeper]

She also owns Goldens and Poodles and breeds them to make "Golden Doodles" and even "Aussie Doodles" she sells most of them for $500 + $250 extra for shipping! What surprises me is she has A LOT of buyers... She sells her dogs all over the internet so they aren't hard to find

Now im not arguing, because they dont sound like a good place, but whats wrong with a goldendoodle.

Edit*
Whoa I didnt realize how old this post was....sorry i brought it to the top

 

[AusCatDogs_4Ever]

Now im not arguing, because they dont sound like a good place, but whats wrong with a goldendoodle.

Take a look at any of the designer dog threads and you'll see...

http://www.chazhound.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21369&highlight=doodles

 

[ihartgonzo]

Mmhm. That lady is basically satan. =( Aussiedoodles... when I see Borderdoodles, I will seriously go OFF!

 

[lakotasong]

Eww, what an icky breeder in the original post.

I've been talking with Lori at DuWest ACDs in Colorado. Her husband, Cappy, has been one of my mother's herding mentors for a number of years. When I get an ACD, it will definitely be from these wonderful folks.

http://www.duwest-acds.com/ if anyone wants to check it out.

 

[CamzKees]

I was told something interesting a few weeks ago

about these designer hybrid dogs.

I took Orchid to the vet for her rabies' vac and microchipping, and I over heard some of the vet techs talking about the Golden Doodles and Labradoodles.

Curious, I listened in and pretty much asked the same question: what's wrong with them?

One of the vet techs told me that some shelters here in Ohio are being over run with them due to the hyperactivity of the animals.

I found some black humor in it- here these peope are buying these $1,500.00 designer dogs (mixed breeds), and then these poor animals still end up in a kill shelter with an adoption fee of $150.00 or less, in the same boat as the rest of the poor mutts in there.

Obviously, it's not funny at all, but extremely sad.

Most of our pure bred dogs came as a result of some kind of crossing, but it was a crossing with a distinct function, such as an ACD.

I know that the Labradoodle mixes were designed for rescue work and being guide dogs...the rest I'm not so sure about.

Sad...too many dogs, and not enough homes.

 

[Red_ACD_for_me]

I emailed the dirt bag breeder!

 

[Red_ACD_for_me]

Eww, what an icky breeder in the original post.

I've been talking with Lori at DuWest ACDs in Colorado. Her husband, Cappy, has been one of my mother's herding mentors for a number of years. When I get an ACD, it will definitely be from these wonderful folks.

http://www.duwest-acds.com/ if anyone wants to check it out.

My ACD's Father is a DUWEST Dog! Named Bubba.

 

[AusCatDogs_4Ever]

I emailed the dirt bag breeder!

Many people have emailed her with disgust, including me.... She replies to no one.

 

[Red_ACD_for_me]

Many people have emailed her with disgust, including me.... She replies to no one.

She replied to me! But I didn't even bother to read what she had to say. Why would she reply to me and no one else? I saw that she replied back and I just junked the email. Should I read it? I'm scared LOL!

 

[smoore]

She replied to me! But I didn't even bother to read what she had to say. Why would she reply to me and no one else? I saw that she replied back and I just junked the email. Should I read it? I'm scared LOL!

Well, yeah you should read it unless your original email was just a flame you wanted to shoot off into the ether, never to be seen again.

In that case, leave it junked.

 

[smoore]

I don't get why that breeder is disgusting. Granted, I've never bought a puppy in my life and likely never will, there are lots of great dogs in shelters for what amounts to free considering the medical attention they get before being released to the new owners. I understand people wanting certain breeds (I've become quite attached to our norwegian elkhound we rescued) so breeders are a neccesity. What makes this one a "bad" breeder? I ask because I want to know what to look for.

Is it because of a false claim of "purebred"? Is it just too many dogs? It seems like a working ranch that sells dogs on the side.

 

[Red_ACD_for_me]

I don't get why that breeder is disgusting. Granted, I've never bought a puppy in my life and likely never will, there are lots of great dogs in shelters for what amounts to free considering the medical attention they get before being released to the new owners. I understand people wanting certain breeds (I've become quite attached to our norwegian elkhound we rescued) so breeders are a neccesity. What makes this one a "bad" breeder? I ask because I want to know what to look for.

Is it because of a false claim of "purebred"? Is it just too many dogs? It seems like a working ranch that sells dogs on the side.

I don't know if you read the whole thread, but first off she docks her ACD's tails. ACD's are supposed to have tails. Second, she offers a "powdered" color that she claims is rare and the color is bogus and a false claim. ACD's are either red or blue not white. Third, did you see how many bitches she keeps!! I counted around 22 females. BYB and puppymill come to my mind. Lastly, she also breeds MUTTS! Doodles to be exact. No quality and or ethical breeder would do that!

 

[smoore]

OK, so it's basically false claims of pedigree and a possible puppymill. I'm not happy about puppymills but the housing she claims seems humane; the dogs look healthy and well groomed. What's BYB mean?

I understand that the ACDs traditionally have tails but isn't docking a good idea for a working dog? I've been told that if a horse/cow steps on a working dog's tail it can ruin the dog by injuring it's back (and we all know a ruined working dog is a dead working dog ). Is that even true? Obviously it would be painful for the dog but can it cause deabilitating injury?

edit: I have no opinion about the crossbred mutts. I don't have any information on which to base one.

 

[Red_ACD_for_me]

OK, so it's basically false claims of pedigree and a possible puppymill. I'm not happy about puppymills but the housing she claims seems humane; the dogs look healthy and well groomed. What's BYB mean?

I understand that the ACDs traditionally have tails but isn't docking a good idea for a working dog? I've been told that if a horse/cow steps on a working dog's tail it can ruin the dog by injuring it's back (and we all know a ruined working dog is a dead working dog ). Is that even true? Obviously it would be painful for the dog but can it cause deabilitating injury?

edit: I have no opinion about the crossbred mutts. I don't have any information on which to base one.

Hang out here long enough smoore and you will learn LOTS! A BYB is a Back yard breeder and actually a tail gives a dog more balance when doing its job. I actually read her email and responded back to her again. She told me that you go through alot to qualify for one of her dogs *yeah okay* and that I wouldn't qualify for one! LOL! Then she told me that I don't know the definition of a BYB and my response to her was that she makes a BOGUS claim of having a rare "powder" color, she keeps an over-whelming amount of bitches (22) and she docks tails on her ACD's and breeds mutts! And she is not a back yard breeder, okay!

 

[smoore]

I'm laughing about you not "qualifying". I figure anyone here probably loves and cares for their dogs more than 90% of owners.

re: tail giving balance: Well that makes sense. A better balanced dog is much less likely to get stepped on

So... BYB would connote someone who is simply breeding dogs for quick profit, not one who cares about any particular breed or quality of life? If so, you're correct, that's what this person sounds like. Probably likes the breed, uses them for work and decided to profit from them breeding.