This is probably a loaded question...but.....

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joce said:
I'm up by lake erie. Between cleveland and cedar point(sandusky).
I know some people who grew up in that area. I think it was called Lakeland, Lakeview... I dunno, something to do with a lake. :confused:

I've been fortunate so far, no one I know has died yet. But in that last batch of deaths, a friend of mine lost a childhood friend. It's such a shame. :(
 
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I don't know...on one hand, we are protecting our country and have caught one of the major terrorists, Saddam Hussein, but on the other, we've got all these US soldiers and soldiers from other countries and regular innocent people dying all the time.
 

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I believe we should have never been involved in the whole thing. I think we should just mine our **** business. But now because we "want to help" people are trying to bomb our buildings
 
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I believe we should have never been involved in the whole thing. I think we should just mine our **** business. But now because we "want to help" people are trying to bomb our buildings
Mind our own business? I haven't forgotten 9-11! Or the previous attacks.
 

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Sorry, I thought you were refering to Iraq, since that is the main focus of this thread.

Of course, what did we really accomplish in Afganistan?
 

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Mind our own business? I haven't forgotten 9-11! Or the previous attacks.
do you know why we had 9-11? Do you know who we are giving our **** tax money to?
 
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Most all of the issues that are going on these days...the price of power, gas, natural gas...it's all a bunch of political garbage. I'm getting really sick of it to.
 
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do you know why we had 9-11? Do you know who we are giving our **** tax money to?
# June 5, 1968: Senator Robert Kennedy is assassinated by Sirhan Sirhan, a Palestinian.

# September 5, 1972: At the Olympic Games in Munich, Germany, 11 Israeli athletes are killed by Palestinian terrorists.

# November 4, 1979: The U.S. Embassy in Teheran is taken over by supporters of the Ayatollah Khomeini. Fifty-three U.S. diplomats are held hostage until their release on January 20, 1981.

# April 8, 1983: Islamic Jihad bombs the U.S. Embassy in Beirut, Lebanon, killing 63, including the CIA's Middle East director.

# October 23, 1983: Suicide truck bombers sent by Hezbollah kill 242 Marines while blowing up the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut.

# December 4, 1984: Kuwait Airlines flight 221 is hijacked and diverted to Tehran. Hijackers kill two Americans from the U.S. Agency for International Development.

# June 14, 1985: TWA flight 847 is hijacked en route from Athens to Rome and forced to Beirut. U.S. Navy diver Robert Dean Stethem is shot and his body dumped on the airport tarmac.

# October 7, 1985: The Palestine Liberation Front hijacks the cruise ship Achille Lauro and tosses 69-year-old American Leon Klinghoffer overboard in his wheelchair.

# April 5, 1986: Two American soldiers are killed in the bombing of a disco in West Berlin. Seventy-nine American servicemen are injured.

# September 5, 1987: Abu Nidal hijacks Pan Am flight 73 in Pakistan. Twenty are killed, including several Americans.

# February 17, 1988: U.S. Marine Lt. Colonel William Higgins, chief of the U.N. Peace Force, is kidnapped and killed by Hezbollah.

# December 21,1988: Libyan terrorists allegedly blow up Pan Am flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, killing all 259 aboard, including 200 Americans.

# November 5, 1990: Jewish Defense League leader Rabbi Meir Kahane is assassinated in New York City by a group including Ramzi Yousef, who would be involved the first WTC bombing on February 26, 1993.

# March 1, 1994: Sixteen-year-old Ari Halberstam is killed when Brooklyn livery cab driver Rashid Baz opens fire on a van transporting yeshiva students on the Brooklyn Bridge.

# June 25, 1996: Khobar Towers near Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, is truck-bombed, killing 19 U.S. servicemen and wounding 240 more U.S. personnel.

# February 23, 1997: Ali Hassan Abu Kamal, a Palestinian, opens fire from the observation deck of the Empire State Building, killing a Danish national and wounding several more before killing himself.

# August 7, 1998: The U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania are simultaneously car-bombed, killing 291 and wounding 5,000 more.

# October 12, 2000: The USS Cole is bombed while in port in Yemen, killing 17 U.S. sailors.

And these are just a select few. It's the acts of terror that led up to 9/11 that we must never forget.
 
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This goes way back even before that. About the end of world war 2. Of course our actions there dont really count. The only way fights end is for one side to stop fighting. I know that we wont and I know that they wont. We use technology and they use what they can. They arent going to fight "OUR" war they are going to fight with terrorism. Not that a longbow2 apache launching hellfires through the night sky to kill targets behind masking terrain features isnt terrifying.

If the Chinese came here to fix our government issues, I would grab a rifle. Even though I may not like our socialist and fascist government, I would not let someone else come in here and set me up with the government they want me to have. I dont care if they say its better. I would bet that those Iraqis are feeling the same way and its the same way anyone with any pride in themselves and their country would feel. Solution- kill every one of them in every country (If you are for that you would be making Hitler proud congratulations.) OR stop fighting and mind our own business like the Constitution demands (I know many folks want that to go away too).
 
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A Nation of Monotheism, that puts complete trust on Allah and fears none other than Him. The Nation which is addressed by its Quran with the words: "Do you fear them? Allah has more right that you should fear Him if you are believers. Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of believing people. And remove the anger of their (believers') hearts. Allah accepts the repentance of whom He wills. Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise." [Quran9:13-1]

I would not want to live in a place where the Law, which stones to death a girl who is raped even if that girl is less than a year old or over 75 years old. I do not wish to be in a religion that is ignorant enough to say that they are better than everyone else. If Allah teaches spilling the blood of innocent the way he does in sharia law then I cannot stand the son of a *****. Maybe there are some things that we should not tolerate here. Terrorism is one of them. Many in this country believe we should tolerate it, I call them socialists.

The people there that are not extremists do want change. The way women are treated there is disgusting for one. Like I said before "Sic Vis Pacem Para Bellum"-If you want peace, prepare for war.
 
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Socialism and terrorism are linked how?
What is our objective?
How many American lives is it worth for this? 1000? 100? 1(if it was yours) Would you slit your wrists if it would end suffering in Iraq? If so why are you here? If it was something that I thought was worth my life I would be over there shooting em.
How many innocent Iraqi lives is it worth?

Would it be ok for us to get bombed here in the US because many of the people here are Christians. Have you read much about the KKK or the Nazis? Would it be predjudice for people to judge us on the actions of those two organizations?
 
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There were 175 terrorist attacks in 2003 in 2004 there was 655(worldwide). We are fanning the flames. We arent making this better we are making it worse. Personally I think the world is way over populated. I have my little corner of it all staked out. My life would be richer if I never had to hear about anymore terrorist attacks or any more political campaigns. I have spent years pissing up a rope trying to show Americans that we could have a free country again. The people dont want freedom, they want socialism, fascism and the lie of security.
 
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I'm saying it's the extremists views. Mass mudrer by terrorist is another.

Socializm is close to communism in my point of view.
And how do either of those relate to terrorism?

I cant stand either one of them as a form of federal, state or local government, but they are only government types. As I have explained in another post how communism is a huge part of American life. Almost every family that has any organization at all has a dictator. It also distributes the resources amoungst the people in the family ie Father works brings home his check and clothes his kids. Thats pure Communism there. It isnt evil. Terrorism is another term I dont know if I agree with the way we use it. It seems to mean that any deliberate act that results in causing of fear, injuries or death is terrorism, but when we open up with MLRS and Vulcans ect we dont think that instills terror.
 

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