The Venting Thread

[Dogdragoness]

"We need to take care of our own first" - don't act like you give a **** about the poor and destitute in this country. You complain about welfare and taxes all the time. You don't get to use America's homeless and desperate as a talking point to deny other humans help while complaining about helping the homeless and desperate the rest of the time. That's completely vile.

Do I have a problem with people using state aid that really need it? No, but the problem (at least in my area) is that its screw up, and too easy to abuse, and so a lot of people do. Kind of like handicapped parking tags, as long as you have that tag no one can question you (at least here). So, especially during the holidays, you get a lot of people using their grandma's car so they can get a good parking space.

 

[Dogdragoness]

Uhh... You don't? Because I'm pretty sure that everyone on this forum that hasn't been living under a rock knows your opinions on **** near every "political matter" that exists.

What? this is like the first time I have posted regularly in like ... months LOL, and voicing my opinion is very different from "screaming" it. It seems that people only say I am "screaming" it when it differs from their own.

Like I said, I believe what I believe, if you want to help the refugees so badly, than petition your state legislature, and you can have the ones we aren't taking in. Like I said, almost half the country is following suit with Texas, and the others in saying "no" to refugees. So my opinion cant be the minority, or they wouldnt be doing it.

 

[Beanie]

A state CANNOT legally refuse to take in refugees.
Sorry, no matter what these governors are blowing, there have been two supreme court cases and a refugee act that say otherwise. Your state WILL have refugees relocated there. It WILL happen.

The same argument is happening in Canada, so Canadians totally get a an opinion on this one. Although I do not know enough about their legislation and history to say if they can legally refuse to take refugees in any given location.

 

[Dogdragoness]

A state CANNOT legally refuse to take in refugees.
Sorry, no matter what these governors are blowing, there have been two supreme court cases and a refugee act that say otherwise. Your state WILL have refugees relocated there. It WILL happen.

The same argument is happening in Canada, so Canadians totally get a an opinion on this one. Although I do not know enough about their legislation and history to say if they can legally refuse to take refugees in any given location.

We will see, but if it does happen, they shouldnt expect a warm welcome, and they should know that Texas is an open carry state.

 

[amberdyan]

We will see, but if it does happen, they shouldnt expect a warm welcome, and they should know that Texas is an open carry state.

*vomits*

Hey.. uuhhh... Anybody want to buy Texas? Canada? Mexico? We'll give them to you real cheap!

(just FYI I don't actually think all Texans are like this.)

 

[SevenSins]

A state CANNOT legally refuse to take in refugees.
Sorry, no matter what these governors are blowing

But they'll sure as hell say that they can. Remember student council elections? If you actually think about it, school politics and "real life" politics share some similarities. Most notably, that in order to gain popularity, a candidate often makes promises that they have zero authority to deliver on, generally banking on the fact that most people don't actually realize that they can't do that, until it's too late. One would think that by the time we reach adulthood, we'd have learned to be more skeptical and do some research for ourselves rather than immediately jump on the bandwagon when Johnnie Q Public promises to put an ice cream machine in the cafeteria...

 

[Beanie]

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In chronological order:
http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supreme-court/312/52.html

That the supremacy of the national power in the general field of foreign affairs, including power over immigration, naturalization and deportation, is made clear by the Constitution, was pointed out by the authors of The Federalist in 1787, and has since been given continuous recognition by this Court. When the national government by treaty or statute has established rules and regulations touching the rights, privileges, obligations or burdens of aliens as such, the treaty or statute is the supreme law of the land. No state can add to or take from the force and effect of such treaty or statute, for Article 6 of the Constitution provides that "This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/STATUTE-94/pdf/STATUTE-94-Pg102.pdf
One of several amendments to this:
http://www.uscis.gov/laws/immigration-and-nationality-act

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/11pdf/11-182b5e1.pdf

The framework enacted by Congress leads to the conclusion here, as it did in Hines, that the Federal Government has occupied the field of alien registration. The federal statutory directives provide a full set of standards governing alien registration, including the punishment for noncompliance. It was designed as a "harmonious whole." Where Congress occupies an entire
field, as it has in the field of alien registration, even complementary state regulation is impermissible. Field preemption reflects a congressional decision to foreclose any state regulation in the area, even if it is parallel to federal standards. Federal law makes a single sovereign responsible for
maintaining a comprehensive and unified system to keep track of aliens within the Nation’s borders. If §3 of the Arizona statute were valid, every State could give itself independent authority to prosecute federal registration
violations, “diminish[ing] the [Federal Government]’s control over enforcement†and “detract[ing] from the ‘integrated scheme of regulation’ created by Congress.†Even if a State may make violation of federal law a crime in some instances, it cannot do so in a field (like the field of alien registration) that has been occupied by federal law.

 

[SevenSins]

and they should know that Texas is an open carry state.

Texas conveniently also has the death penalty for those who choose to abuse their privilege.

 

[sassafras]

I don't have to petition my state government, they're not a bunch of xenophobic, cowardly haters and have already stated they won't oppose accepting refugees.

 

[straw]

in response to the last page or two :s
People are being so awful about this. I know there is no easy answer but jeez... since when is such a huge chunk of humanity seemingly incapable of any compassion?

 

[SpringerLover]

This month just blows. I am so stressed and sad and overwhelmed. It's sad when work is my reprieve. I wish I thought next month would be better, but that's unlikely.

My heart hurts, my head hurts, and I am so tired all the time.

 

[*blackrose]

I have a friend who is muslim and from Kuwait. He just left the states after being here pursuing his bachelors. He was originally going to come back to visit, then head to Ireland for his masters. Now he has decided to take a hiatus from his schooling and stay at home for another year because he is afraid of how he will be received/treated due to the current political climate in regards to muslims/middle easterns.

That absolutely digusts me, that he even has to be worried about something so asinine.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Being worried about the security of the American people due to the potential implications of ISIS infiltrating under the guise of a refugee is fine. This needs to be worried about. ISIS infiltrating in general needs to be worried about. Being upset that we provide aide to refugees and not to our own homeless/homeless veteran population makes less sense (don't they all deserve care?), but we *should* be upset and want to care for our own homeless population, so I won't get too pissy about people using that as a war cry.

But blaming all muslims for the acts of zealot factions is WRONG. There is no grey area there, it is just simply wrong. And 100% refusing to give aide or assistance to *human beings* (be they man, woman, or child) fleeing the same terrorist group we so loudly and brashly call out against because we are afraid the terrorist organization may *use* them? Or because there are other people who will help them, so why should we, when we'd be more comfortable otherwise? Or because they aren't white christian westerners, so who the heck cares? Complete and utter hypocrisy and cowardice.

/my soapbox for the day

 

[CrystalGSD]

*vomits*

Hey.. uuhhh... Anybody want to buy Texas? Canada? Mexico? We'll give them to you real cheap!

(just FYI I don't actually think all Texans are like this.)

Unfortunately, a majority of Texans are like this. Even people my age (meaning high school age, and are stereotyped as 'more accepting' than older generations) are like this, and people aren't realizing that by not allowing refugees they are doing exactly what ISIS wants. It doesn't make sense when people say it is a threat to national security if they let the Syrian refugees in when many terrorists that join ISIS are American-born and bred. Letting in Syrian refugees isn't going to change the safety of our country.

Also, throughout time it has been proven that America doesn't allow refugees in and then will regret it later. For example, during the holocaust, American citizens didn't want to allow the Jews in as refugees because they didn't want to threaten national security. Obviously, now, we can see what a huge mistake America has made.

I live in a state that sadly has a high quantity of racist, xenophobic bigots and I'm willing to admit it. A lot of people here are like that, whether they realize it or not.

in response to the last page or two :s
People are being so awful about this. I know there is no easy answer but jeez... since when is such a huge chunk of humanity seemingly incapable of any compassion?

Same. I bet if Americans were being persecuted and were attempting to flee America, they would heavily criticize any country that didn't allow them in. America has a lot to give, but is unwilling to give anything.

I have a friend who is muslim and from Kuwait. He just left the states after being here pursuing his bachelors. He was originally going to come back to visit, then head to Ireland for his masters. Now he has decided to take a hiatus from his schooling and stay at home for another year because he is afraid of how he will be received/treated due to the current political climate in regards to muslims/middle easterns.

That absolutely disgusts me, that he even has to be worried about something so asinine.

It's disgusting. My parents are Muslim and it saddens them when they watch the news and hear horrid things and stereotypes being thrown out about the Muslim/Arabic community. Mosques are being ransacked and disfigured everyday. I, myself, am not religious, but it affects my family and angers me very much. It's unfortunate that people are intolerant bigots unable to see the truth of what is occurring, and it is unfortunate that people who are innocent feel as if they have to change their actions because of these bigots.

 

[BostonBanker]

This month just blows. I am so stressed and sad and overwhelmed. It's sad when work is my reprieve. I wish I thought next month would be better, but that's unlikely.

My heart hurts, my head hurts, and I am so tired all the time.

I am so sorry. Those times where it feels like the pain and stress are coming non-stop are so miserable. I hope you get a reprieve soon.

 

[SevenSins]

But blaming all muslims for the acts of zealot factions is WRONG. There is no grey area there, it is just simply wrong. And 100% refusing to give aide or assistance to *human beings* (be they man, woman, or child) fleeing the same terrorist group we so loudly and brashly call out against because we are afraid the terrorist organization may *use* them? Or because there are other people who will help them, so why should we, when we'd be more comfortable otherwise? Or because they aren't white christian westerners, so who the heck cares? Complete and utter hypocrisy and cowardice.

Just going to quote this because I think it absolutely needs to be repeated.

 

[xpaeanx]

This month just blows. I am so stressed and sad and overwhelmed. It's sad when work is my reprieve. I wish I thought next month would be better, but that's unlikely.

My heart hurts, my head hurts, and I am so tired all the time.

****HUGS****

I hope things get better for you soon.

 

[sassafras]

 

[MandyPug]

I got diagnosed with a Panic Disorder. I'm on medication now. I know it'll take some time to kick in but I am so just not okay right now. It feels like I can't fully exhale.

I just want to not be homeless, I want my life to be back to happy times, I just need to universe to cut me a break. Is that too much to ask?

 

[Paviche]

Implying that you and your fellow Texans are willing to shoot refugees if they dare step foot in your state is literally the lowest of the low to the point that I can't believe this is real life. How exactly is that attitude different than that of terrorists?

Texas is a ****ing scourge on the United States and I'm glad to have gotten out when I did. DD's attitude is not uncommon. The place is filled to the brim with xenophobic, racist, bigoted pieces of ****. **** Texas and the south in general.

 

[lancerandrara]

We will see, but if it does happen, they shouldnt expect a warm welcome, and they should know that Texas is an open carry state.

Okay... I wasn't going to contribute to the topic prior. But this comment/your kind of implied thinking of threatening to shoot people, the refugees, whether in jest or in actuality is completely immoral and repulsive. ("Immoral and repulsive" is an understatement) It's not okay on so many levels, and I hope you realize that and that your comment was just an impulsive mistake.