Schutzhund?
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german shepherd is the most popular, belgian malinois is gaining schutzhund popularity fast, due to answer to your second question. yes in a way they do. they have to have high amounts of prey and/or play drive (some say prey and food drive, others call it play and food drive, probably other terms too), but basically the higher drive and energy they have the better, which is why the malinois is gaining popularity among schutzhund trainers/competitors. now no one get offended, I love the gsd, but the average malinois has much higher drive and energy than the average gsd, doberman or rottie. just about any breed can do it, but of course the breeds with tendencies to protect are better. however just being protective is not near enough, they also have to be very willing to please their owners or in other words they need to be obedient. especially due to the fact that most corrections lose points, almost any hesitation to obey loses points and so on. and most dogs who train for schutzhund have a hard time even getting a schutzhund I. for the most part those handlers/owners dont mind and just do it for the obedience training, fun and bonding that results. Im sure they mind to an extent, everyone wants their dog to win when they compete but most of them have a lot of fun at it.
but technically aggression is not a requirement. several labs and chesapeake bay retrievers have recieved sch III titles. and every titled schutzhund dog I have ever met I would consider safer than most any other dog I've met. Just consider this, its not about training attack dogs, not in the least. Yes protection training is deffinetly one of the phases, but the dog HAS to be under control at all times. Any sch trained dog should be able to attack the bite sleeve for all they are worth, and 10 seconds later be hugged and wrestled with by the agitator/bad guy. If a dog has a schutzhund title and the agitator cannot play rough with the dog in complete safety (other than drowning in kisses and maybe claw scratched) the dog was titled by one of the irreputable judges and should never have recieved that title.
but technically aggression is not a requirement. several labs and chesapeake bay retrievers have recieved sch III titles. and every titled schutzhund dog I have ever met I would consider safer than most any other dog I've met. Just consider this, its not about training attack dogs, not in the least. Yes protection training is deffinetly one of the phases, but the dog HAS to be under control at all times. Any sch trained dog should be able to attack the bite sleeve for all they are worth, and 10 seconds later be hugged and wrestled with by the agitator/bad guy. If a dog has a schutzhund title and the agitator cannot play rough with the dog in complete safety (other than drowning in kisses and maybe claw scratched) the dog was titled by one of the irreputable judges and should never have recieved that title.
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be prepared, the lowest drive milinois I have ever met or heard about was atleast 5 times higher drive than most mid-high drive border collies and terriers. taz, the cartoon tasmanian devil?, was drawn wrong. he should have looked like a malinois. but yes, they are a amazing breed and I too wouldnt mind having one someday. but then again, the gsd is my perfect breed so I may never have one.
Great info.
I saw a show on the outdoor life channel that went through their list of the top 10 dogs for protection work (all the footage was from schutzhund or police work) which was followed by another show with the top 10 most highly trainable dogs. The Belgian Malinois was #1 for protection and it was #10 for trainability but they seemed to stress the fact that it was only for advanced trainers as it is a very tough breed for inexperienced handlers. Anyway, some very cool videos of the dogs in action and interesting to watch.
I believe the dogs on their list were Dogo Argentino, Bouvier, some Portugeuse dog (San Miguel something or other, can't remember the name), Giant Schnuzer, Airedale Terrier, Rottweiler, PitBull, Doberman, German Shepheard, Malinois. Not necessarily in that order but pretty close.
I saw a show on the outdoor life channel that went through their list of the top 10 dogs for protection work (all the footage was from schutzhund or police work) which was followed by another show with the top 10 most highly trainable dogs. The Belgian Malinois was #1 for protection and it was #10 for trainability but they seemed to stress the fact that it was only for advanced trainers as it is a very tough breed for inexperienced handlers. Anyway, some very cool videos of the dogs in action and interesting to watch.
I believe the dogs on their list were Dogo Argentino, Bouvier, some Portugeuse dog (San Miguel something or other, can't remember the name), Giant Schnuzer, Airedale Terrier, Rottweiler, PitBull, Doberman, German Shepheard, Malinois. Not necessarily in that order but pretty close.
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the united schutzhund clubs of america sends out a newsletter each year and has a list of the most popular schutzhund breeds in north america, and another of the breeds in europe (they consider england, scottland, ireland and australia europe lol). I didnt get my newsletter for 2005 because I moved in september of 2004, gave them new address but they never sent it. in 2004 the list for both europe and north america had the gsd as #1 most popular, #2 was doberman in america/malinois in europe, #3 was rottweiler, #4 was pit bull in america I think/doberman in europe.
Ive seen tons of breeds you would never imagine as schutzhund dogs though. From labs and chesies to bulldogs (the short legged english bulldog, winston churchill type) and jack russel terriers. even saw one standard poodle on a schutzhund field once. and one guy who trained a friends wolf dog in schutzhund because it was a fear biter (hadnt bitten anyone but was dangerous and very shy). It didnt get a title that I am aware of but I saw it in the beginning stages. With puppies and fear biters or overly aggressive dog they put the leash on the collar, tie the end of the leash to a chainlink fence, owner gets out of site (usually) and then the agitator walks towards them holding a rolled up strip of burlap. as he gets close, if the dog starts to bark he runs away as if he is scared to death. This builds their confidence (puppies and fear biters in this training method). Once they get braver he will run past them with the burlap and try to get them to bite it, wether they bite or not he keeps running, if they bite he lets go and they win (get to play with the burlap for a few seconds). with an overly aggressive dog Im not sure how they do it, never been a part of that. Was explained in minute detail to me once about 5 years ago, but I didnt understand it enough then to explain it now.
Ive seen tons of breeds you would never imagine as schutzhund dogs though. From labs and chesies to bulldogs (the short legged english bulldog, winston churchill type) and jack russel terriers. even saw one standard poodle on a schutzhund field once. and one guy who trained a friends wolf dog in schutzhund because it was a fear biter (hadnt bitten anyone but was dangerous and very shy). It didnt get a title that I am aware of but I saw it in the beginning stages. With puppies and fear biters or overly aggressive dog they put the leash on the collar, tie the end of the leash to a chainlink fence, owner gets out of site (usually) and then the agitator walks towards them holding a rolled up strip of burlap. as he gets close, if the dog starts to bark he runs away as if he is scared to death. This builds their confidence (puppies and fear biters in this training method). Once they get braver he will run past them with the burlap and try to get them to bite it, wether they bite or not he keeps running, if they bite he lets go and they win (get to play with the burlap for a few seconds). with an overly aggressive dog Im not sure how they do it, never been a part of that. Was explained in minute detail to me once about 5 years ago, but I didnt understand it enough then to explain it now.
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wow, that sucked. had response all typed out and then pc wouldnt do anything. had to restart it. this reply will be shorter than the failed reply, incase it fails again. fingers are getting tired. I started with the club in arnold missouri under jan st john and eric something when I was 14. 4 years later my dad got transferred to dallas texas, I joined the club there. the texas club trainer was russ osburn, who is now trainer for http://whirlingthunder.com/whirlingthunder_028.htm home of universal sieger triiumphs gucci.
Thought this link would be helpful for people who want to learn the German. It gives a pronuciation of the words in German, Dutch, French, and Czech. Pretty neat I thought and thats how I learned commands for Gunnar.
http://www.uwsp.edu/psych/dog/languag1.htm
http://www.uwsp.edu/psych/dog/languag1.htm