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Contact purebred rescues in addition to shelters. Purebred rescues are made up of individual enthusiasts of a specific breed (for example: I operate a Siberian rescue). Most times, these are the folks that will help you in pulling a shelter dog from across the country, and working out transport to get the dog to you.
I have three dogs being transported to me tomorrow from Ohio. I'm in New York. Wonderful people VOLUNTEER to transport these dogs, each person doing an hour or two of travel and then handing off to the next volunteer.
PWD Club of America Rescue and Relocation:
http://www.pwdca.org/rescue.html
I have three dogs being transported to me tomorrow from Ohio. I'm in New York. Wonderful people VOLUNTEER to transport these dogs, each person doing an hour or two of travel and then handing off to the next volunteer.
PWD Club of America Rescue and Relocation:
http://www.pwdca.org/rescue.html
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That's just it. I'm willing to bet these dog are kept in decent conditions, probably even very clean. That's what worries me quite honestly, because it's easy to be lulled into a false sense of security.
We all know that a mill with horrible living conditions, the kind of place with crap in ever corner is no place to buy a puppy from, but a mill that is clean and with staff that talks a good game...it's easy for many people to be swayed and I would hate to see that happen here.
Kirsykris, I'm not trying to pick on you. Honest. It just makes me sad to think that this well set up puppy mill may be 'hooking' you. It's what places like this do best, they're good at it, and I feel frustrated that you don't seem to see it.
I'm not trying to jump on you and I'm sorry if you feel that I did.
Okay a few suggestions, I work with a rescue groups. Each group has different policies, so while one may not allow out of state adoptions, another might be perfectly fine with it.
If you find a dog you like and the group doesn't allow out of state adoptions don't give up, it helps to mention that you have good vet refferences, and are open to a home inspection. (even if they're too far away, saying you don't mind is a good sign) Offer to pick up the dog yourself so you can meet them in person and they can get a feel for you. I would also ask them "what can I do to make this work?" Put the ball in their court and show them that you are serious about this and willing to do whatever it takes to get the dog.
If they really want to find a good home, they'll at least give you a second look.
It's also can't hurt to surf petfinder and not limit your search to just your state. As I said, some rescues have no prolem with out of state adoptions. In fact if you find a Doodle in a rual shelter, chances are they won't be able to give him to you fast enough as many of those places are very high kill.
These people couldn't careless if you are from out of state, they just want to save the dogs from getting gassed. If you have the means to travel to view a dog and possibly adopt on the spot then you shouldn't have a problem finding a doodle mix eventually in one of these places.
Memphis and Ohio have very high kill shelters and personally that's where I'd start looking. May take a while for your doodle to show up, or it may happen right away, but it'll happen.
Hope this helps.
We all know that a mill with horrible living conditions, the kind of place with crap in ever corner is no place to buy a puppy from, but a mill that is clean and with staff that talks a good game...it's easy for many people to be swayed and I would hate to see that happen here.
Kirsykris, I'm not trying to pick on you. Honest. It just makes me sad to think that this well set up puppy mill may be 'hooking' you. It's what places like this do best, they're good at it, and I feel frustrated that you don't seem to see it.
I'm not trying to jump on you and I'm sorry if you feel that I did.
Okay a few suggestions, I work with a rescue groups. Each group has different policies, so while one may not allow out of state adoptions, another might be perfectly fine with it.
If you find a dog you like and the group doesn't allow out of state adoptions don't give up, it helps to mention that you have good vet refferences, and are open to a home inspection. (even if they're too far away, saying you don't mind is a good sign) Offer to pick up the dog yourself so you can meet them in person and they can get a feel for you. I would also ask them "what can I do to make this work?" Put the ball in their court and show them that you are serious about this and willing to do whatever it takes to get the dog.
If they really want to find a good home, they'll at least give you a second look.
It's also can't hurt to surf petfinder and not limit your search to just your state. As I said, some rescues have no prolem with out of state adoptions. In fact if you find a Doodle in a rual shelter, chances are they won't be able to give him to you fast enough as many of those places are very high kill.
These people couldn't careless if you are from out of state, they just want to save the dogs from getting gassed. If you have the means to travel to view a dog and possibly adopt on the spot then you shouldn't have a problem finding a doodle mix eventually in one of these places.
Memphis and Ohio have very high kill shelters and personally that's where I'd start looking. May take a while for your doodle to show up, or it may happen right away, but it'll happen.
Hope this helps.
Silver - Thank you that DOES help me a lot. I've just been getting the runaround with shelters... filling out applications, making phone calls and getting nowhere. Also, because I live in an apartment right this minute... ( i'm closing on my home in January) no one is willing to look at me until I'm moved in. Also, the home I'm moving into doesn't have a fence, and I will be putting one up ASAP, but that's another problem for a lot of rescues. So, I feel like a lot of times I'm missing out because in their eyes my home's not ready. I have stellar vet references, and personal references and I'm mostly stay at home. I have so many good qualities that I think would make for a happy life for a dog. It just is disheartening to keep getting unanswered phonecalls because on my application I wrote "no fence" "will be installing one asap".
Work with people, sit down and talk to them. Explain to them that you are not looking to add a dog to your family until AFTER you have completed the requirements for adoption when you move. I know plenty of rescues and even shelters that would gladly put you on a waiting list and keep their eyes open for the type of dog you were interest in.
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I have a list of high kill shelters in the ohio area if that's not too far for you and would be happy to give it to you via PM. I doubt you'd have any problem adoptiing from them, fence or no fence. Even in an apartment.
If you're getting the run-around, it's likely that you're not contacting really high kill shelters. Rescue groups can be picky, since the dogs there are not in any danger of being killed.
The dogs in high kill shelters only have days to live before being gassed and in most places the staff just want to get them out alive.
If you're getting the run-around, it's likely that you're not contacting really high kill shelters. Rescue groups can be picky, since the dogs there are not in any danger of being killed.
The dogs in high kill shelters only have days to live before being gassed and in most places the staff just want to get them out alive.
My opinion on labradoodles... if you really want one. Find a breeder that:
- *only* breeds in an attempt to get close to a standard - should be able to tell you why they bred that male with that female, what both have that would improve the 'breed' to try to make it breed true... only breeds in an attempt to get that 'perfect' puppy for their breeding program.... not to sell (although obviously they would sell the pups that are too far from the 'standard')
- not too many litters... doesn't breed bitches every season... if the dogs don't make puppies close to the 'standard', doesn't breed them again
- does health testing on both parents
- doesn't charge an arm and a leg - the pups should be cheap if they are sold, as a good breeder would keep the 'perfect' pups for breeding to try and breed true... the rest are just mutts!
Anyway... just my opinion. I'm not for labradoodle breeding, but in these conditions, when it's obvious it's an effort to try to breed true and not just to make fast cash, I guess I would be ok with it...
- *only* breeds in an attempt to get close to a standard - should be able to tell you why they bred that male with that female, what both have that would improve the 'breed' to try to make it breed true... only breeds in an attempt to get that 'perfect' puppy for their breeding program.... not to sell (although obviously they would sell the pups that are too far from the 'standard')
- not too many litters... doesn't breed bitches every season... if the dogs don't make puppies close to the 'standard', doesn't breed them again
- does health testing on both parents
- doesn't charge an arm and a leg - the pups should be cheap if they are sold, as a good breeder would keep the 'perfect' pups for breeding to try and breed true... the rest are just mutts!
Anyway... just my opinion. I'm not for labradoodle breeding, but in these conditions, when it's obvious it's an effort to try to breed true and not just to make fast cash, I guess I would be ok with it...
Kris,
We bought our puppy from a backyard breeder. He's a Schnauzer-Poodle mix (mutt, terrier mix, Schnauzer mix). I love him more than anything, he doesn't shed, he's brilliant, and he's all he was "advertised" to be.
However, I regret it so much. They shipped him to us in a crate--in which he had definitely gone to the bathroom during the flight without asking us for anything more than money. They didn't care if we would be a good home for the dog--they just wanted their ridiculous price. People that purposefully breed mixes are in it for the money and not the dogs.
I know there is a sort of prestige for some people in having a Labradoodle, GoldenDoodle, Schnoodle, or other mix, but it isn't fair at all to the thousands of poodle mixes dying in shelters because they aren't sold by the right breeder. Your labradoodle may be guaranteed not to shed, but I can also guarantee you that a standard poodle won't shed. Why should the poodle have to die?
If a standard poodle doesn't work for you, have you considered a Soft Coated Wheaton Terrier?
http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/softcoatedwheatenterrier.htm
They are beautiful dogs with great personalities, non-shedding (super soft), and very loyal.
Here's some things that we go through daily because we have a BYB designer dog:
-We're training our dog to compete in agility and he is phenomenal. He will also make a great flyball height dog when he's older (anyone interested?). Unfortunately, people still run up to us and scream about our "cutie-pie little baby Schnoodle girl". 20 lbs isn't that little, he's not a baby, he should never be called a cutie-pie, and he is a boy.
-People ask us for the name of our breeder so they can get a dog that looks just like him. They don't want a dog that is a great companion, but something based solely on looks.
-At the dog park, people say, "awww, look at the little dog!! That's so cute, he even chases a ball." They shut up when he plays with the biggest dogs without flinching, fetches like a pro, and see that he is very well trained.
-We work really hard to train our dog. A lot of people that meet him say, "he's so well trained, it must be because he's half poodle." No, it's because we work with him constantly. But due to the stigma of a designer dog, we lose a lot of credibility.
We bought our puppy from a backyard breeder. He's a Schnauzer-Poodle mix (mutt, terrier mix, Schnauzer mix). I love him more than anything, he doesn't shed, he's brilliant, and he's all he was "advertised" to be.
However, I regret it so much. They shipped him to us in a crate--in which he had definitely gone to the bathroom during the flight without asking us for anything more than money. They didn't care if we would be a good home for the dog--they just wanted their ridiculous price. People that purposefully breed mixes are in it for the money and not the dogs.
I know there is a sort of prestige for some people in having a Labradoodle, GoldenDoodle, Schnoodle, or other mix, but it isn't fair at all to the thousands of poodle mixes dying in shelters because they aren't sold by the right breeder. Your labradoodle may be guaranteed not to shed, but I can also guarantee you that a standard poodle won't shed. Why should the poodle have to die?
If a standard poodle doesn't work for you, have you considered a Soft Coated Wheaton Terrier?
http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/softcoatedwheatenterrier.htm
They are beautiful dogs with great personalities, non-shedding (super soft), and very loyal.
Here's some things that we go through daily because we have a BYB designer dog:
-We're training our dog to compete in agility and he is phenomenal. He will also make a great flyball height dog when he's older (anyone interested?). Unfortunately, people still run up to us and scream about our "cutie-pie little baby Schnoodle girl". 20 lbs isn't that little, he's not a baby, he should never be called a cutie-pie, and he is a boy.
-People ask us for the name of our breeder so they can get a dog that looks just like him. They don't want a dog that is a great companion, but something based solely on looks.
-At the dog park, people say, "awww, look at the little dog!! That's so cute, he even chases a ball." They shut up when he plays with the biggest dogs without flinching, fetches like a pro, and see that he is very well trained.
-We work really hard to train our dog. A lot of people that meet him say, "he's so well trained, it must be because he's half poodle." No, it's because we work with him constantly. But due to the stigma of a designer dog, we lose a lot of credibility.
kris, don't you have two pretty young pups right now as it is? why not give them your attention. let them grow up being the apple of your eye. when they're a bit older, start looking seriously into getting another dog.
breeder research is an excellent thing to be doing. you don't need to be filling out applications right now. wait until you're in your new house and settled. just scope out breeders, check them out online, get in contact with them in a general way and get to know them, let them get to know you.
slow down. whether you're looking at importing a labradoodle or getting in contact with a portie breeder nearby, just slow down.
breeder research is an excellent thing to be doing. you don't need to be filling out applications right now. wait until you're in your new house and settled. just scope out breeders, check them out online, get in contact with them in a general way and get to know them, let them get to know you.
slow down. whether you're looking at importing a labradoodle or getting in contact with a portie breeder nearby, just slow down.