The last thread was absolutely disgusting. First, there are misinformation. Then, there was misunderstanding. Finally, it devolved into name-calling, polarizing attacks, and more misinformation.
Personally, I am "pro-choice" but Ron Paul is the only candidate (Republican or Democrat) that has properly supported his view.
*PLEASE LEAVE THE ABORTION DEBATE OUT OF THIS THREAD*
This is Ron Paul's official stance on abortion:
In Congress, I have authored legislation that seeks to define life as beginning at conception, HR 1094.
I am also the prime sponsor of HR 300, which would negate the effect of Roe v Wade by removing the ability of federal courts to interfere with state legislation to protect life.
I have also authored HR 1095, which prevents federal funds to be used for so-called “population control.â€
He wants to ban partial-birth abortion, except for when the fetus endangers the mother's life:
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/articles/83/the-partial-birth-abortion-ban/
"Under the 9th and 10 amendments, all authority over matters not specifically addressed in the Constitution remains with state legislatures. Therefore the federal government has no authority whatsoever to involve itself in the abortion issue. So while Roe v. Wade is invalid, a federal law banning abortion across all 50 states would be equally invalid."
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/articles/85/federalizing-social-policy/
*IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS RON PAUL'S VIEWS ON ABORTION, START YOUR OWN THREAD*
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There is a lot of misinformation floating around about Ron Paul. A lot of this stems, as Grammy so nicely pointed out in the last thread, from the main stream media's lack of coverage.
There are YouTube videos for each of these topics from debates, speeches to the House of Representatives, etc. Let me know if you would like to see them.
The War in Iraq:
Ron Paul voted against the war, and still believes it was unconstitutional. His justification is here:
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/articles/63/fixing-whats-wrong-with-iraq/
Taxes:
Ron Paul will abolish the IRS. Currently, all of us work until the end of May before we start to earn money for ourselves. It is against the Constitution for our own government to steal nearly half of our income.
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/articles/35/do-tax-cuts-cost-the-government-money/
Why are goods from China so cheap?
We pay them $4 billion per year to make sure they are cheaper than American goods.
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/articles/36/your-taxes-subsidize-china/
Personal liberty:
Ron Paul voted against the Patriot Act and consistently fights it. http://www.ronpaul2008.com/articles/110/domestic-surveillance-and-the-patriot-act/
Medicare and Prescription Drug Benefit:
Our government can't afford the current programs. We need to rethink the role of government, not "reform" the currently flawed syste.
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/articles/73/the-coming-entitlement-meltdown/
The Environment:
The federal government has proven itself untrustworthy with environmental policy by facilitating polluters, subsidizing logging in the National Forests, and instituting one-size-fits-all approaches that too often discriminate against those they are intended to help.
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/articles/240/respect-for-property-rights-necessary-for-freedom/
Government coercion:
Simply put, freedom is the absence of government coercion. Our Founding Fathers understood this, and created the least coercive government in the history of the world. The Constitution established a very limited, decentralized government to provide national defense and little else. States, not the federal government, were charged with protecting individuals against criminal force and fraud. For the first time, a government was created solely to protect the rights, liberties, and property of its citizens.
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/articles/161/what-does-freedom-really-mean/
Gold vs. Paper Money
In November 2000 Saddam Hussein demanded Euros for his oil. His arrogance was a threat to the dollar; his lack of any military might was never a threat. At the first cabinet meeting with the new administration in 2001, as reported by Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neill, the major topic was how we would get rid of Saddam Hussein-- though there was no evidence whatsoever he posed a threat to us. This deep concern for Saddam Hussein surprised and shocked O’Neill.
http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2006/cr021506.htm
Inflation:
This decline in the value of the dollar is simple to explain. The dollar loses value as the direct result of the Federal Reserve and U.S. Treasury increasing the money supply. Inflation, as the late Milton Friedman explained, is always a monetary phenomenon. The federal government consistently wants to spend more than it can tax and borrow, so Congress turns to the Fed for help in covering the difference. The result is more dollars, both real and electronic – which means the value of every existing dollar goes down.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul354.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nj9KHJRRUbQ
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Any questions?
I seriously believe he is the President that America needs.
Personally, I am "pro-choice" but Ron Paul is the only candidate (Republican or Democrat) that has properly supported his view.
*PLEASE LEAVE THE ABORTION DEBATE OUT OF THIS THREAD*
This is Ron Paul's official stance on abortion:
In Congress, I have authored legislation that seeks to define life as beginning at conception, HR 1094.
I am also the prime sponsor of HR 300, which would negate the effect of Roe v Wade by removing the ability of federal courts to interfere with state legislation to protect life.
I have also authored HR 1095, which prevents federal funds to be used for so-called “population control.â€
He wants to ban partial-birth abortion, except for when the fetus endangers the mother's life:
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/articles/83/the-partial-birth-abortion-ban/
"Under the 9th and 10 amendments, all authority over matters not specifically addressed in the Constitution remains with state legislatures. Therefore the federal government has no authority whatsoever to involve itself in the abortion issue. So while Roe v. Wade is invalid, a federal law banning abortion across all 50 states would be equally invalid."
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/articles/85/federalizing-social-policy/
*IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS RON PAUL'S VIEWS ON ABORTION, START YOUR OWN THREAD*
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There is a lot of misinformation floating around about Ron Paul. A lot of this stems, as Grammy so nicely pointed out in the last thread, from the main stream media's lack of coverage.
There are YouTube videos for each of these topics from debates, speeches to the House of Representatives, etc. Let me know if you would like to see them.
The War in Iraq:
Ron Paul voted against the war, and still believes it was unconstitutional. His justification is here:
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/articles/63/fixing-whats-wrong-with-iraq/
Taxes:
Ron Paul will abolish the IRS. Currently, all of us work until the end of May before we start to earn money for ourselves. It is against the Constitution for our own government to steal nearly half of our income.
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/articles/35/do-tax-cuts-cost-the-government-money/
Why are goods from China so cheap?
We pay them $4 billion per year to make sure they are cheaper than American goods.
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/articles/36/your-taxes-subsidize-china/
Personal liberty:
Ron Paul voted against the Patriot Act and consistently fights it. http://www.ronpaul2008.com/articles/110/domestic-surveillance-and-the-patriot-act/
Medicare and Prescription Drug Benefit:
Our government can't afford the current programs. We need to rethink the role of government, not "reform" the currently flawed syste.
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/articles/73/the-coming-entitlement-meltdown/
The Environment:
The federal government has proven itself untrustworthy with environmental policy by facilitating polluters, subsidizing logging in the National Forests, and instituting one-size-fits-all approaches that too often discriminate against those they are intended to help.
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/articles/240/respect-for-property-rights-necessary-for-freedom/
Government coercion:
Simply put, freedom is the absence of government coercion. Our Founding Fathers understood this, and created the least coercive government in the history of the world. The Constitution established a very limited, decentralized government to provide national defense and little else. States, not the federal government, were charged with protecting individuals against criminal force and fraud. For the first time, a government was created solely to protect the rights, liberties, and property of its citizens.
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/articles/161/what-does-freedom-really-mean/
Gold vs. Paper Money
In November 2000 Saddam Hussein demanded Euros for his oil. His arrogance was a threat to the dollar; his lack of any military might was never a threat. At the first cabinet meeting with the new administration in 2001, as reported by Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neill, the major topic was how we would get rid of Saddam Hussein-- though there was no evidence whatsoever he posed a threat to us. This deep concern for Saddam Hussein surprised and shocked O’Neill.
http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2006/cr021506.htm
Inflation:
This decline in the value of the dollar is simple to explain. The dollar loses value as the direct result of the Federal Reserve and U.S. Treasury increasing the money supply. Inflation, as the late Milton Friedman explained, is always a monetary phenomenon. The federal government consistently wants to spend more than it can tax and borrow, so Congress turns to the Fed for help in covering the difference. The result is more dollars, both real and electronic – which means the value of every existing dollar goes down.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul354.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nj9KHJRRUbQ
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Any questions?
I seriously believe he is the President that America needs.
