Riot from today - Conformation

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Alrighty.. lol I know there is like 2 other Belgian owners on this board but.. lol

Anyone else want to take a stab at Riots conformation? hehe

The faults that a judge would take into consideration on him are; slightly long in the back and has easty/westy front feet.

Now, the floor he was on, he kept sliding so his feet are perfectly square lol

Here is Riots front end


Riots back end(his feet need to be cleaned up a bit)
 

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Riot standing.. Now he just needs to learn to stand a little more dominant.. and lean forward slightly so he can look proud.. :)

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I dont know anything about the breed, but what may help is if you post his height, and try to improve on his stack, with pics its hard to tell what a dog is like
 

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I don't know Tervs that well and I'm not sure what exactly I should be looking for, but as far as balance and type goes, I think Riot is lovely.
As far as the eastie/westie feet go, take a look at where they turn out (it's kind of hard for me to tell by the pic) If they turn out at the pastern, there's not a great chance of them straightening. If they turn out at the elbow there is a good chance that they will be okay when he is an adult. My Border Collie has this problem except his turn out at the elbow AND the pastern. They'll never be really wonderful, but as he matures, and his chest drops and fills out (thus widening the front a little and moving the position of the elbows) the feet should straighten out a bit.

How old is he now, btw? He's looking great.
 

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hehe thanks, I'll go measure Riot right now..

Riot is 21.5" at the shoulder. So he has approx. 5-6 more inches to grow

and yeah, Riot will always have the easty/westy front legs(his daddy has it slightly) so its genetic. Since he was a pup it has improved some though. I dont think it will get much better though lol poor little boy hehe
 
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Type and coat looks very nice.

He IS a bit off square, but you may see changes in that as he matures. I'd also like to see a tiny bit more neck, but that may improve as well.

A couple of hints:

Do NOT try to stack him on any surface that is not non slip. You will teach him to "post", or lean back instead of forward. It takes time to teach a dog to stand out over their front.

You might consider using stacking blocks. I have a home made set, and they work like MAGIC to teach puppies (or dogs) to leave their feet where you put them, and to lean into a stack.

Here are a couple of photos of my puppy up on the blocks....

This is at 8 weeks old...Yep, they can start young. :D


at 5 months old...You can see she is learning to be out over her front legs by this time...


And that early training led to a dog who will stack like this with very little prompting...
 

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Ooo I like those stacking blocks, do they ever tip over if they try and squiggle to much? How did you make them? I have seen strips of wood used for this as well where either both front or both back have the strip of wood.

That'd be a good idea.

I just snapped these pictures quickly to get a better idea of what Riot islooking like, as the handler you dont get to see much of this angle lol! I'll try and remember non-slip surface is a must for stacking from now on.

I've sent these pictures off to the breed and I'm just waiting for a response from her for an analysis :)
 
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They have magnets on the bottom, and you can see the metal pan they are "stuck" to.

yes, if the dogs move too much, they can "fall" off. But they only have about 4 to 6 inches to go. They do NOT like to have this happen. I LET it happen so they begin to understand NOT to move their feet.

The blocks are made so that there is only room for the foot, so if they move a foot, they fall off, or they learn to wait for you to reset the foot.

With my puppy, it had the result that if she is free stacking, moves a foot, and I say AH AH, she puts it back very close to where it was when she moved it.

They are simple to make, all you need are some good wooden dowels, some thick plywood, some non skid material for the top, and a metal oil changing pan to put them on. I got mine at Auto Zone for 9 dollars. If you know someone who is handy or has a shop, they can make you a set easily.

:D
 
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In the beginning, I put the puppy (or dog) up on the blocks, and bait them profusely while they are on the blocks. I stack the front feet on the blocks, and then lift the rear and place the rear feet on the blocks. It is a lot easier if you have a helper at first so they can steady the head while you get the dog up on the blocks. Once he's up there, bait bait bait for about 10 seconds, and then take him down. I NEVER let the dog get off the blocks, I always lift them off.

I started this pup on the stacking blocks steady at about 5 months, and by the time I took her to her first show at 6 months, she was stacking and standing like a Special.

It is marvelous for teaching dogs not to move feet on bite and body exams, and to stand where you put them, and with my pup, it also helped a LOT with free stacking.
 

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Hmm thats a really good idea. I'll have to try and craft some together lol What is the black stuff that you used on the top of the blocks?
How often a week did you stack your pup on the blocks?
 
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I believe they are 3/4" plywood on the top. Home Depot or Lowe's has that material that looks like what is on the top of a grooming table to put on them to make them non slip.

You need 1" doweling, 4 pieces 6" long, and enough plywood to make the tops and bottoms of the blocks. The bottoms are made larger for stability. The magnets on the bottom are important, and they should be as strong as possible. It's best to cover the entire "footprint" of the lower block with magnets so they will stick as well as possible.

Then you need someone with a drill press so they can make the holes in the blocks, and then securely glue and screw the tops and bottoms to the doweling, and useing a good epoxy, glue on the non skid tops, and the magnets on the bottom. Get a metal pan, and voila, you are ready to go.

:D

I stacked her on them every day for several weeks, using POSITIVE motivation and praise. By the end of the first week, I was walking away 10 feet and baiting her, and she was not moving.

I would stack her on the blocks several times, and then stack her on the ground briefly, and reward her for staying.

I did a lot of mouth and body exams while she was up on the blocks. The only correction she ever got was a mild AH AH if she moved a foot.

:D
 

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