I think you may have confused me as much as you...lol What you say makes sense in terms of drive and willingness,and your right when you say,a term dogmen use....thats where i learned from reading books by them,And i dont or would never fight my or anyones dog to test there gameness,as for amstaffer....god help us.
pitbulliest said:
Sonny:
I think you're totally confusing what I'm trying to say...
"gamebred" describes (generally/not always) dogs which are smaller (under 60 pounds) thin in build, and often having superior drive and willingness to please...gameness is the refusal to quit a task no matter the circumstances. The task was originally bull baiting, then dog fighting. Nowadays gameness can also be measured by weight pull = hence my example...although I agree it probably wasn't the best one lol
Some may argue it depends on who you ask...there are the traditionalists, that I've mentioned..that argue that there is no other way to game test a dog except for in the pit with other dogs...history also showed that pits were used for hunting boars...this required "gamebred" dogs...people today test for gameness using boar/wild pig hunting as a means as well...
My entire point though was to say that it doesn't have to do with fighting, and these days it usually doesn't...its something only traditionalists maintained to be fact...which responsible american pit bull terrier owner will fight their dog to check for gameness these days? NONE...Does this mean that in that case, there ARE no real gamebred dogs anymore? Well then maybe it does......or maybe it means that gameness is a term that's going through an evolution phase...coming out of the dog pit and moving on so to speak...or maybe I'm wrong altogether lol
If it really does have to do with criminal activities, then it really isn't doing pit bulls a favor..and in that case, I hope the term dies out entirely...I rather not have any game dogs around...stupid dogmen..
I think you're totally confusing what I'm trying to say...
"gamebred" describes (generally/not always) dogs which are smaller (under 60 pounds) thin in build, and often having superior drive and willingness to please...gameness is the refusal to quit a task no matter the circumstances. The task was originally bull baiting, then dog fighting. Nowadays gameness can also be measured by weight pull = hence my example...although I agree it probably wasn't the best one lol
Some may argue it depends on who you ask...there are the traditionalists, that I've mentioned..that argue that there is no other way to game test a dog except for in the pit with other dogs...history also showed that pits were used for hunting boars...this required "gamebred" dogs...people today test for gameness using boar/wild pig hunting as a means as well...
My entire point though was to say that it doesn't have to do with fighting, and these days it usually doesn't...its something only traditionalists maintained to be fact...which responsible american pit bull terrier owner will fight their dog to check for gameness these days? NONE...Does this mean that in that case, there ARE no real gamebred dogs anymore? Well then maybe it does......or maybe it means that gameness is a term that's going through an evolution phase...coming out of the dog pit and moving on so to speak...or maybe I'm wrong altogether lol
If it really does have to do with criminal activities, then it really isn't doing pit bulls a favor..and in that case, I hope the term dies out entirely...I rather not have any game dogs around...stupid dogmen..