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Oh, and just who is supposed to care what someone who knows nuttin' about nuttin' thinks of them? Just because someone mistakes self esteem and self assuredness as arrogance does not mean squat!!!!! I know who and what I am. And I have vowed to not waste my time dealing with numbnuts!!!!!!!! Gee, maybe I am egocentric????? Heck.......yeah I am----am PROUD OF IT!!!!!!!!!! Roflmbo.
Proud of being a DOG BRAIN? Oooowwww...~~~I offer suggestions based on my personal experience and that of others I know personally. Try them if you wish. If they work great.....if not, there are many other suggestions available here. Any questions will be happily answered. Any attempts at put downs will be ignored.~~~~
- Golly we should all believe this guy. Since he is a DOG BRAIN, he's a competent authority when it comes to dogs...daaaanggg...I sure wish I understand could understand his barking...
I'm sorry for that I was too preoccupied then. I'm not satisfied with my research and my vets opinion. So, I went to seek out other pets owners and other vets opinion. I'm always thirsty for knowledge, can't get enough of it. Yes, I was able to mate her with a very good stud. A progeny or son of K-Runs "Make Mine a Double". I just can't resist that pic. It portrays perfect happiness. I just can't resist posting it. Especially after the battering I got from some dog brains here. Thank you for being nice. You are very civilized. I hope the special kids here would learn a piece of humanity.
Bow,
I know that you come from a very different culture with different practices as most of the people here. Pretty much all of us believe very strongly in spaying or neutering pets for many reasons.
First of all spaying or neutering greatly increases their life expectancy as unaltered animals are MUCH more likely to get cancers (uterine, testicular...). Not only that but there is a HUGE problem with overpopulation of pets in our countries. Spaying and neutering is simply the responsible thing to do. It helps control the amount of innocent animals that are put to sleep everyday.
Try looking at this site www.petfinder.com It's full of animals in shelters that were bred by accident or by people who didn't know what they are doing. It's because of these animals that you are met with so much passion from our members.
Yes, many of them come across quite strongly but most of us volunteer at shelters and try to help these animals as much as possible. It hurts us to know that more dogs will be brought into this world who will most likely not be guaranteed homes and will suffer and die prematurely.
Tell us about your country and how you deal with the pet population. What happens to the animals without homes there?
Another reason we promote spaying and neutering is because it makes the life of the animal so much easier. They are not always in trouble for hormonal behaviours they cannot control (humping, running away, and other erratic behaviours). They don't live their lives trying to get something they can't have.
The animals don't miss something they never knew.
I know that you come from a very different culture with different practices as most of the people here. Pretty much all of us believe very strongly in spaying or neutering pets for many reasons.
First of all spaying or neutering greatly increases their life expectancy as unaltered animals are MUCH more likely to get cancers (uterine, testicular...). Not only that but there is a HUGE problem with overpopulation of pets in our countries. Spaying and neutering is simply the responsible thing to do. It helps control the amount of innocent animals that are put to sleep everyday.
Try looking at this site www.petfinder.com It's full of animals in shelters that were bred by accident or by people who didn't know what they are doing. It's because of these animals that you are met with so much passion from our members.
Yes, many of them come across quite strongly but most of us volunteer at shelters and try to help these animals as much as possible. It hurts us to know that more dogs will be brought into this world who will most likely not be guaranteed homes and will suffer and die prematurely.
Tell us about your country and how you deal with the pet population. What happens to the animals without homes there?
Another reason we promote spaying and neutering is because it makes the life of the animal so much easier. They are not always in trouble for hormonal behaviours they cannot control (humping, running away, and other erratic behaviours). They don't live their lives trying to get something they can't have.
The animals don't miss something they never knew.
Very well said, and I respect you for that. Its the same thing as contraceptives there are always pros and cons, the debate will never end. I am a naturalist, and I am against anything that would alter the natural state of a dog. Mutilation which includes spaying, neutering, tail docking, and ear cropping are definitely a no no. I guess people do this more for their own convenience than for their dogs. Since they are busy with work and other chores they can't look over their dogs welfare all the time. Having a higher probability of having cancer is just an excuse we do for convenience. Your dog may die of other causes, not just cancer. Dogs, unspayed or not dies just the same. If you don't want your dog to roam around why don't you fence your yard or put him/her in a small kennel while you are away? The owners of the dogs is the problem not the dogs. A lot of people are not fit to have dogs unspayed ones or not. Spaying and Neutering will not solve the problem nor will it lessen it. If people are too irresponsible should the dogs pay for that? I don't think so. If you can't take all the responsibilities of owning a dog you should not get one. Thus, the one should be punished are the ones who are abusing or neglecting their pets. Thats what they do in Singapore. For me, my Dogs are family members. I love them dearly, and I would go out of my way just to seek out their welfare. I may not be a veteran or an experienced "show breeder" but I do take care of my dogs very well. Thats why when some people called me a troll, puppy miller, and a backyard breeder. Whatever they mean with those words, it connotes a negative impression. Thats why I got furious. For me, all dogs are equal. pure breed or not, show quality or pet quality...
All my dogs that are posted in my website enjoy a good life with me and my pals. They are well taken care of. Examined almost everyday by our 2 resident vets. Given the proper shelter, love, and care. Most of all, they are never discrimated by me. My website may not be complete or perfect. Yes it has a lot of flaws coz I'm really not an expert in making one. I don't breed dogs for money. I already a have a stable business for that. I don't sell to petshops or puppy retailers. I only sell or sometimes give to friends or to people who I know would pass my standards in being a responsible dog owner. I breed more than 2 types of dog breeds because I can handle it pretty well and I could afford it. I don't like to join dog shows because of the politics involved in it. Plus, I don't want to mingle with show breeders who's attitude and character resembles those of manchester and some other people here. I guess success got way above their heads which caused them to loose the virtue of humility. My dogs are my angels, they are at par with the best dogs out there. Mabuhay to all of you. My dogs are calling me. Adios.
All my dogs that are posted in my website enjoy a good life with me and my pals. They are well taken care of. Examined almost everyday by our 2 resident vets. Given the proper shelter, love, and care. Most of all, they are never discrimated by me. My website may not be complete or perfect. Yes it has a lot of flaws coz I'm really not an expert in making one. I don't breed dogs for money. I already a have a stable business for that. I don't sell to petshops or puppy retailers. I only sell or sometimes give to friends or to people who I know would pass my standards in being a responsible dog owner. I breed more than 2 types of dog breeds because I can handle it pretty well and I could afford it. I don't like to join dog shows because of the politics involved in it. Plus, I don't want to mingle with show breeders who's attitude and character resembles those of manchester and some other people here. I guess success got way above their heads which caused them to loose the virtue of humility. My dogs are my angels, they are at par with the best dogs out there. Mabuhay to all of you. My dogs are calling me. Adios.
I think the first two sentences above are exactly right. Unfortunately unless you put every potential animal owner through some sort of suitability test you are never going to stop irresponsible people owning pets. As humans we have a lot of responsibility for the creatures on this planet, but as a whole we abuse that responsibility all the time. That is why, I think it is responsible to neuter or spay, as you are helping to reduce the amount of unwanted animals that end up abandoned, shot, poisoned or put down. (Poisoned food is left out around here to keep down the cat population that breeds from unspayed cats - that is real cruelty - it just gets me so angry!)
Animals breed by instinct, they are not able to say, "whoops - better not sleep around and get pregnant - I can't house & feed a load of puppies." More un-neutered animals around naturally will lead to more 'accidents', even with the best intentions of owners.
I don't support ears and tails being docked - but I have to be honest and say I have never looked into it to understand why it is done.
Don't be put off Chaz - it is a great place to share experience, listen and debate, and it is full of animal lovers. However everyone has different styles on forums and comes from different backgrounds - that is what makes it so interesting, but also can cause friction.
Very well said. You have nice point there. But, if given a choice, I don't think dogs would like to be neutered or spayed, same with most of us. No matter how many you neuter or spay it wont help at all. Believe me it will not help at all. The solution is for our respective governments to pass and enforce tough laws against irresponsible people. It works. I saw it done in Singapore. They have tough animal laws there and they slap stiff fines and even imprisonment to those who neglect or abuse their pets. That is the only solution. Spaying and Neutering is will not work. A country as advanced and as progressive as yours could certainly do that.
Yes I also met a lot of nice peeps here. Very nice, and very civilized. I also would not let myself be abused by arrogant showoffs. These people are only tough here but are wimps in real life. Thats why, they try to do their stuff here. Instead of helping others they just put them down. If they don't want to help, fine. Just stop abusing with blatant remarks.
Fortunatley, this country was founded on less government control, not more. I think it would be a scary day if what you described above actually happened. What you say is ideal in theory, but not in reality. You speak of animal abuse and neglect, well, we are talking about breeding unwanted pets and that is not considered abuse, so how would the government regulate that? Plus, what about all the real breeders out there who have dedicated their life to a certain breed by showing, mentoring and breeding top dogs that carry on the breed standard. Should they be slapped with stiff fines and imprisonment? I can honestly tell you thats spaying and neutering alone does work. The amount of unwanted pets has gone down dramatically since the shelters have started spaying and neutering and vets are also offering low cost spay and neuter services. When I was a small child you could find free kittens available around every corner. Now, they are very hard to come by, at least in the state I live.
I have no doubt that you love your dogs. That's quite apparent. I just can't agree with you about spaying and neutering. If I can double my dogs life expectancy by spaying and neutering I will. It is not for selfish reasons. In fact it costs us a lot of money and heartache sometimes to do it but it is in their best interest.
I have seen male dogs bend rebar fencing to get at a female in heat and I've seen female dogs climb fences to get out. You can have proper fencing all you want but a dog in heat is a very determined creature. They will dig, climb, jump... whatever they have to to get out in the neighbourhood with the boys. And the boys will try just as hard to get in.
I'll never understand NOT spaying and neutering. There are just too many cons.
I have seen male dogs bend rebar fencing to get at a female in heat and I've seen female dogs climb fences to get out. You can have proper fencing all you want but a dog in heat is a very determined creature. They will dig, climb, jump... whatever they have to to get out in the neighbourhood with the boys. And the boys will try just as hard to get in.
I'll never understand NOT spaying and neutering. There are just too many cons.
Yes. Some of us have that lame excuse of having this so called dedication or for betterment of the breed while the true reason behind this is really self prestige and satisfaction. From what I see in the posts, from what I read in the news, and articles in your place. I have come to conclude that neutering and spaying is really not effective. As I've told you the debate on this matter would be endless as this is an issue of morality. Just like the countless debates about abortion, divorce, terrorism, etc. This will never end. I've heard your side of the story and you heard mine. Whoever is right or wrong, that depends on each persons view of morality. The good thing about this discussion is we were able to successfully discuss things and share ideas like civilized human beings. Unlike some people I know. I guess, senility must be setting in for that poor person. Oh well, I could be wrong you know. Peace to all and have a nice day.
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I do not really think there has been name calling here either. No one is bullying you, you asked opinions and when you got them, it made you angry.
People here are not fans of backyard breeders, they are fans of responsible breeders.
The getting angry and saying things, get some self control because no one here knows you and nothing is personal.
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Bowowee said:
Proud of being a DOG BRAIN? Oooowwww...~~~I offer suggestions based on my personal experience and that of others I know personally. Try them if you wish. If they work great.....if not, there are many other suggestions available here. Any questions will be happily answered. Any attempts at put downs will be ignored.~~~~
- Golly we should all believe this guy. Since he is a DOG BRAIN, he's a competent authority when it comes to dogs...daaaanggg...I sure wish I understand could understand his barking...
Not this guy she is a she. She also has alot of experience and alot of knowledge. Nothing Manchesters says should ever be brushed off, she speaks the truth and she knows.
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Well, I guess this is one of the instances when having someone on ignore don't work, rofl. However it is getting to the point where I may have to ask Chaz to request that this (insert any word you wish) stop harassing me and start limiting the posts to DOGS and questions. I know the forum is open to children..but childish behavior is rather annoying!!!
Bowowee said:
Proud of being a DOG BRAIN? Oooowwww...~~~I offer suggestions based on my personal experience and that of others I know personally. Try them if you wish. If they work great.....if not, there are many other suggestions available here. Any questions will be happily answered. Any attempts at put downs will be ignored.~~~~
- Golly we should all believe this guy. Since he is a DOG BRAIN, he's a competent authority when it comes to dogs...daaaanggg...I sure wish I understand could understand his barking...
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