Excuse me ??? Conformation or obedience ??? That's not the point. We're talking about whelping. Though I did not choose to show in either , my line was tops in both areas. I decided with 3 kids, a husband, 8 acres, big house, business to help with, my dogs would continue what they were known for .....I called them 40 years ago companion dogs......Ten years ago one of my pup's owners was playing with his dog in a Chicago park,,,,,a stranger came up to him and said " Is that a Hawthorn Hill dog ?" He had owned one of my dogs and could tell the background . I'm proud of my breeding. And miss it !